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Posted: Nov 16 2007, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Nov 16 2007, 02:15 PM)
Does it really fucking matter? If someone wants to kill someone they'll find a way.

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Posted: Nov 16 2007, 02:53 PM
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You put guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens, and criminals will think twice about the next person they try to rob.

D.C. had a ban on handguns implemented years ago, and it has some of the highest crime in the U.S.
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Posted: Nov 16 2007, 02:58 PM
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YOU AMERICANS ARE SO FUNNY!!! the fuckin redneck carries a gun on his hip...thats fucking retarded ifhe  had hit one of the guys he would have been fucked, but now hes the man...fuckin to funny.

if he'd hit the guy, he'd have been a hero... one less dirt bag on the street. at the very least he kept himself from becoming more of a victim. he possibly would have ended up dead had he not taken the actions he did and used his weapon.


had strict gun control measures been in place that prevented this law abiding citizen from owning a gun and allowing him to use it in the manner he did (to protect his safety), the attacker would have potentially shot him dead. gun control doesn't take guns outta the hands of criminals -- it simply disarms those who follow the law

so your saying that this one case makes it ok for the million people who have legal permits and guns but use them in the wrong way? This is 1 good thing that has happened...what about all the bad things that happen because its so fuckign easy to carry a gun in the states.

the rate of crime commited by those who have applied for and are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons is lower than that of the general public. that is a FACT

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Posted: Nov 16 2007, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE (Will109090 @ Nov 16 2007, 02:53 PM)
You put guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens, and criminals will think twice about the next person they try to rob.

D.C. had a ban on handguns implemented years ago, and it has some of the highest crime in the U.S.

Really, it hasnt decreased crime so far. But the couple dozen or so occaisons each year in which a person with a handgun stops a would be criminal justifies the thousands of people who die each year by accidental shootings.

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Posted: Nov 16 2007, 04:50 PM
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YOU AMERICANS ARE SO FUNNY!!! the fuckin redneck carries a gun on his hip...thats fucking retarded ifhe  had hit one of the guys he would have been fucked, but now hes the man...fuckin to funny.

if he'd hit the guy, he'd have been a hero... one less dirt bag on the street. at the very least he kept himself from becoming more of a victim. he possibly would have ended up dead had he not taken the actions he did and used his weapon.


had strict gun control measures been in place that prevented this law abiding citizen from owning a gun and allowing him to use it in the manner he did (to protect his safety), the attacker would have potentially shot him dead. gun control doesn't take guns outta the hands of criminals -- it simply disarms those who follow the law

so your saying that this one case makes it ok for the million people who have legal permits and guns but use them in the wrong way? This is 1 good thing that has happened...what about all the bad things that happen because its so fuckign easy to carry a gun in the states.

the rate of crime commited by those who have applied for and are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons is lower than that of the general public. that is a FACT

You know better than to make a statement like that without proof to back it up.

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Posted: Nov 16 2007, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (miggyg @ Nov 16 2007, 02:17 PM)
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Does it really fucking matter? If someone wants to kill someone they'll find a way.

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They should also ban baseball bats, rocks, knives, rope, poison etc...


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Posted: Nov 16 2007, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Nov 16 2007, 05:47 PM)
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Does it really fucking matter? If someone wants to kill someone they'll find a way.

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They should also ban baseball bats, rocks, knives, rope, poison etc...


Too bad he missed. Thats all I'm gonna say.

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Posted: Nov 16 2007, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (PotentiallyFatal @ Nov 16 2007, 07:55 PM)
Too bad he missed. Thats all I'm gonna say.

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Posted: Nov 16 2007, 08:16 PM
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Good for him. I was surprised that the news station actually gave a fairly neutral report.
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Posted: Nov 17 2007, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 16 2007, 03:50 PM)
You know better than to make a statement like that without proof to back it up.

of course i do... who the f do you think you're talking to here? cool.gif
of course i've posted all this data before, just nobody takes the time to look at it...



FACT: People with concealed carry permits are(34):
• 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
• 13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public

FACT: In Texas, citizens with concealed carry permits are 14 times less likely to commit a crime. They are also five times less likely to commit a violent crime.(35)

FACT: Even gun control organizations agree it is a non-problem, as in Texas – “because there haven't been Wild West shootouts in the streets”.(36)

FACT: Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm.

FACT: In Florida, a state that has allowed concealed carry since 1989, you are twice as likely to be attacked by an alligator than a person with a concealed carry permit.(37)



(34) William Strdevant, unpublished study reported in August 2000 edition of America’s 1st Freedom
(35) Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau, reported in San Antonio Express - News, September, 2000
(36) Nina Butts, Texans Against Gun Violence, Dallas Morning News, August 10, 2000
(37) Florida Department of State, “Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report”, 1998 – Florida Game and Fresh Water Fish Commission, December 1998

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Posted: Nov 17 2007, 12:45 AM
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Posted: Nov 17 2007, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE (miggyg @ Nov 16 2007, 02:10 PM)
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so your saying that this one case makes it ok for the million people who have legal permits and guns but use them in the wrong way? This is 1 good thing that has happened...what about all the bad things that happen because its so fuckign easy to carry a gun in the states.

i have my concealed firearm permit and carry my glock 21 or springfield 1911 with me nearly everywhere i go (except the gym).

in order to have a permit- you have to go through a criminal background check, training, and as simple of an offense as domestic violence can revoke your concealed carrying rights for 10 years or indefinitely.

the "millions of people who have legal permits and guns" arent the ones using them in the wrong way. it's the criminals carrying illegal guns illegally that do the damage and no plausible laws or restrictions will ever stop that fact.

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Posted: Nov 17 2007, 01:32 AM
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oh yeah, here's my latest toy. it shoots the nato .223 (5.56mm) and accepts my 120 round m-16 double drum mags.

it's basically my full assault and hunting "pistol" ohmy.gif

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Posted: Nov 17 2007, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE (PJllama @ Nov 17 2007, 01:32 AM)
oh yeah, here's my latest toy. it shoots the nato .223 (5.56mm) and accepts my 120 round m-16 double drum mags.

it's basically my full assault and hunting "pistol" ohmy.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckZ0HC_GwcY

holy shit thats so badass.

imagine walking down NYC streets with that. god, itll take only about 5 minutes at most for police to come chasing after you.

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Posted: Nov 17 2007, 04:43 AM
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I'm not really "gun guy".........but that is one BAD ASS looking gun ohmy.gif
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QUOTE (PJllama @ Nov 17 2007, 07:32 AM)
oh yeah, here's my latest toy. it shoots the nato .223 (5.56mm) and accepts my 120 round m-16 double drum mags.

it's basically my full assault and hunting "pistol" ohmy.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckZ0HC_GwcY

ohmy.gif Thats absolutely solid - how much did that set you back?

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Posted: Nov 17 2007, 12:48 PM
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that's f'n SWEET! how'd they manage that without the buffer tube?

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Posted: Nov 17 2007, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Nov 17 2007, 12:48 PM)
that's f'n SWEET! how'd they manage that without the buffer tube?

yeah. and it's as loud as a mofo. with such a short barrel, not all the powder has burned before the bullet leaves the muzzel, so there's a 5 foot long flash without the compensator/ flash suppressor. louder than my buddy's snub nose .44 magnum.

to answer your question, the bolt is actually pulled back with a spring located in that tube above the barrel.

and doogsy, it was only $400 (before the accessories)! kel-tec is still a relatively unknown maker with little advertisement costs. it jammed every other shot when i first got it, but kel-tec's customer service is so badass- i just sent it in for free and it's working flawlessly now. i can sqeeze off 100 rounds without a hiccup in 1/2" groupings over 100 yards.

cheapest, most accurate and deadly "pistol" i own, no doubt.

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Posted: Nov 17 2007, 04:01 PM
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oh yeah, here's my latest toy.  it shoots the nato .223 (5.56mm) and accepts my 120 round m-16 double drum mags.

it's basically my full assault and hunting "pistol"  ohmy.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckZ0HC_GwcY

holy shit thats so badass.

imagine walking down NYC streets with that. god, itll take only about 5 minutes at most for police to come chasing after you.

a lil excessive... but it's actually legal for me to conceal it (and easier now- going into winter) with my permit smile.gif most states don't allow pistols with a forward mag tho...

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