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Posted: Jul 8 2007, 04:52 PM
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I found this on another web site thought it was interesting.


Milligrams below are the estimated amount of active hormone per 100mg of hormone and ester.

Boldenone base: 100mg
Boldenone acetate: 83mg
Boldenone Propionate: 80mg
Boldenone Cypionate: 69mg
Boldenone Undecylenate: 61mg

Clostebol Base: 100mg
Clostebol Acetate: 84mg
Clostebol Enanthate: 72mg

Drostanolone Base: 100mg
Drostanolone Propionate: 80mg
Drostanolone Enanthate: 71mg

Methenolone Base: 100mg
Methenolone Acetate: 82mg
Methenolone Enanthate: 71mg

Nandrolone Base: 100mg
Nandrolone Cypionate: 69mg
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate: 63mg
Nandrolone Decanoate: 62mg
Nandrolone Undecylenate: 60mg
Nandrolone Laurate: 56mg

Stenbolone Base: 100mg
Stenbolone Acetate: 84mg

Testosterone Base: 100mg
Testosterone Acetate: 83mg
Testosterone Propionate: 80mg
Testosterone Isocaproate: 72mg
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg
Testosterone Cypionate: 69mg
Testosterone Phenylpropionate: 66mg
Testosterone Decanoate: 62mg
Testosterone Undecanoate: 61mg

Trenbolone Base: 100mg
Trenbolone Acetate: 83mg
Trenbolone Enanthate: 68mg
Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate: 65mg*
Trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonate: 65mg*

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Posted: Jul 8 2007, 05:00 PM
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very interesting. i havent even heard of half of those
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Posted: Jul 19 2007, 06:45 PM
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I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
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Posted: Jul 20 2007, 07:04 AM
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Thanks tree - I'll post this up in the stickies in due course

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Posted: Jul 20 2007, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (tree33 @ Jul 8 2007, 04:52 PM)
Boldenone Undecylenate: 61mg

Nandrolone Decanoate: 62mg

Damn deca and EQ are weak….


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Posted: Aug 11 2007, 10:11 PM
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Posted: Aug 13 2007, 03:44 PM
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good post!

kinda explains why prop feels so much stronger....
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Posted: Aug 31 2007, 01:04 PM
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I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
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Posted: Aug 31 2007, 04:05 PM
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hey a mod should add this to the stickies up top
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Posted: Sep 3 2007, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE (James70262 @ Jul 20 2007, 12:45 PM)
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Boldenone Undecylenate: 61mg

Nandrolone Decanoate: 62mg

Damn deca and EQ are weak….

Deca is a puccy sterol, but is EQ. I might run Tren and EQ (enanthates)instead of tren. ace. and test. prop.????

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Posted: Nov 13 2007, 03:39 PM
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Posted: Nov 13 2007, 04:33 PM
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I believe the weights are associated with the number of carbon bonds in each esther. With Test C and Test E the difference is only 1 carbon bond.
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Posted: Dec 4 2007, 08:08 PM
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Cool. So the base is the strongest form of sterols or is the anbolic/androgenic properties dependent upon the ester? Does the anabolic potency increases with increasing ester weight or does the effectiveness of the sterol increase with a steady release? I thought of instance trenbolone acetate is good because you can withdraw upon side effects very fast but, trenbolone enanthate has less side efects and your less likely to have too withdraw? Do I need to reword question.

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Posted: Dec 9 2007, 02:43 PM
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Posted: Dec 9 2007, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE (Agent8 @ Dec 4 2007, 08:08 PM)
Cool.    So the base is the strongest form of sterols or is the anbolic/androgenic properties dependent upon the ester?  Does the anabolic potency increases with increasing ester weight or does the effectiveness of the sterol increase with a steady release?  I thought of instance trenbolone acetate is good because you can withdraw upon side effects very fast but, trenbolone enanthate has less side efects and your less likely to have too withdraw?  Do I need to reword question.

The steriod base give the most miligrams of active hormone by weight. I don't believe the ester attachment has any affect on the anabolic / androgenic profile. It simply holds the steriod in an inactive form until esterases in the body cleave the ester attachment.

The purpose of the ester is to give you a gradual release of a hormone. For example an injection of Test suspension (base) won't stay active in your system long and it could be compared to an oral requiring multiple doses a day to run a cycle with. That is why most injectables have some sort of ester attachment. Usually people only use a test base suspension to get more aggression in the gym or for any use where you don't want the substance in your system for long.

Normally you want the long duration of action so you inject a cypionate or enthenate a couple times per week at the required dosage. (These esters last 10+ days but most people inject twice per week to maintain more stable hormone levels) Sustanon is a blend of short and longer esters so the short esters release sooner, the intermediate next and the longer esters last.

So in most cases you probably want the ester attachment. The point of the post is the longer the ester the less total hormone you end up with by weight.

As you said with a short ester you can come off of it quicker if you experience negative sides. IMO the trade off is with the short esters you get the most hormone but you have to inject more frequently.
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Posted: Dec 9 2007, 08:26 PM
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You can also look at if from an economics perspective. Say for example you want to run 500 mg of test per week. Hypothetically speaking lets say you could get 20 ml of T Cypionate for $64 at 250 mg / ml or 20 ml of prop at 100 mg / ml for $49.

With the Cypionate that is 5 grams of hormone + ester x .69 = 3.450 grams of hormone. So if you inject 2 CC / week you are really only using 345 mg of test per week at a cost of about $6.40 / week. Not actually 500 mg but I will leave it this way for comparison.

With the prop you get 2 grams of hormone + ester in 20 ml at 100mg / ml. multiply 2grams x .80 = 1.6 grams. Each CC will contain about 80 mg of hormone. So to get the same level as with the 2CC of cyp per week you would need to inject a little more than 4 cc's per week at a cost of about $10 / week.

So the cypionate gives you more active hormone for your money using the costs above and fewer injections. The prop would have the advantage of kicking in a little quicker but it will cost you more for what you get.
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Posted: Dec 11 2007, 07:06 PM
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Very logical. I seem to understand that the gradual release increases anabolic effects. I have never studied the difference between the self induced releease of testosterone base to the injection of various testosterone esters. I still feel the 500mg test prop is much more effetive than 500mg test base. I know I'm not decieved by my senses.

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