Oxyguno and Hemaguno |
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| Posted by: bigwasserman Feb 28 2007, 12:29 PM |
| Hey guy. I saw these two products in my local supplement store and was curious if anyone knows anything about either of them? The company is Spectra Force Research(SFR) and the write up on it looks pretty decent. Anyone tried it or have any idea what these compounds are or are similar to? Oxyguno- 4-chloro-17-methyl- etioallochol-4-ene-17-ol-3,11-dione Humaguno- 2 ,3-epithio-17-methyletioallocholano Again, both look very interesting, so what does everyone think/know? |
| Posted by: bulker4life Feb 28 2007, 01:25 PM |
| the first one Oxy whatever looks as if it may be kind of Like Halodrol with Finigex magnum Mixture |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Feb 28 2007, 01:42 PM | ||
I looked at halodrol, promagnon and the old pro turanabol from gaspari and the only thing that is similar from any of those and oxyguno is that it has the 4-chloro at the front. Other than that it is totally different. |
| Posted by: Dustin994 Feb 28 2007, 02:37 PM |
| Oxyguno is the 4-chloro product and it looks pretty interesting. Haven't seen any logs on it yet or anything but it seems promising. Hemaguno is identical to Epistane. There are a couple ways to write the chemical structure of what is in it but they are the same. Just a $20 difference. |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Feb 28 2007, 03:21 PM | ||
So the hemaguno, ar e you saying it is the EXACT same compound as epistane or just very similar? The oxyguno does look very interesting. I have had a lot of success with all 4-chloro products that I have used in the past so I am pretty curious about this one. I wonder how thse two would stack together? |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Feb 28 2007, 03:36 PM |
| Ok, I found the chemical structure for epistane. It is 2a,3a-Epithio-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane. Compare that to 2,3-epithio-17-methyletioallocholano for the hemaguno and it looks to be slightly different. Most times the smallest difference in a chemical structure can make the biggest difference one way or the other. It looks to me like the very beginning is pretty similar except that there is the a in front of the 2 for epistane and also one after the 17 but after that it looks to be totally different to me. |
| Posted by: mmowry Feb 28 2007, 05:55 PM |
| They put those subtile changes in there to make it look different.Chemicaly speaking its the same yet more expensive compound as Epistane. That being said Epistane is a great product and if Huma is what it says it is (*not suggesting that it isnt) you should see some great results. |
| Posted by: MoVin_Weight Feb 28 2007, 10:56 PM |
| yeah i think they fuck it up on purpose so you think its different... etiocholan is short for 5a-androstane it just looks like they added there own lil slang to it however the big difference i see is the epistane formula has a 17hydroxy group added to it where the hemo-whatever does not... unless this is incorporated in that goofy etiollochollalnlsfblahblahblah part of the compound |
| Posted by: Dustin994 Feb 28 2007, 11:54 PM | ||
Trust me they are identical, organic chemistry is my forte and there are multiple ways to say things. IUPAC allows for different ways of doing things. For instance you could use the term -ol to signify an alcohol such as ethanol or you could use the term hydroxy, which shows the position of the alcohol, both are accepted, both are used at different times. Frankly they are using the other version (we have switched as well) to get rid of the word Androstane, brings nothing but negative attention by the people who want to bring things compounds into the ban, know what I mean? |
| Posted by: bigfed Mar 1 2007, 07:27 AM |
| u mean Fagget Dickface Assaciation. LOL |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 1 2007, 10:18 AM |
| Ok, so with that all being said you guys all tihink that both of these might be pretty decent? What about stacking the two together? Dustin, since you said that the Hema was the same as epistane is it safe to assume that it also has the same effects as far as good on the hdl/ldl levels and not as harsh on the liver. Would these be good to stack while on a cutting diet/routine? How would anyone comapre these products to stuff like halodrol, promagnon, or even the old pro turanabol from the pre-ban days? |
| Posted by: Dustin994 Mar 1 2007, 11:21 AM | ||
I wouldn't say ANY oral is "good" on cholesterol levels but of course some are definitely more generous. Epistane is definitely one of those supplements that is very forgiving on the cholesterol levels and liver, so that is a plus. I don't know enough about this new 4-chloro compound to give a definitive answer. There are a lot of people who are doubting its purity since the synthesis methods needed to make this compound involve using bacteria and I am not sure if there are any other methods for it. I am not saying it "isn't" pure I am just saying it is very difficult and expensive. Hats off to the company if they did it though. I am not sure how harsh the compound is really. You can't tell how harsh something is on your body until you try it unfortunately. The numbers on it look good as far as anabolic and androgenic values (high anabolism, low androgenic), but the results were done on rats back in the 60's so it is really hard to say. Luckily with Epistane we alpha tested it over a year ago and ran high dosages for 6 weeks to see how it affected lipids and other values so we knew it was a winner. Until someone gets blood work on the oxy I would not recommend stacking anything just yet. Heck Epistane is mild enough on your body that you could run it by itself then when more logs/blood work comes out on the other you could always stack them then or whatever. |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 1 2007, 12:30 PM |
| Well I have not even seen the Osyguno in stores yet, just online. The Hema I have seen at my local supp store so I was most curious about that right now. I actually have a full unopened bottle of the old pro turanabol at the house and will be using that probley this summer with proviron and anything that I can find that is simialr to orastan-e and also taking thermogenic thyrotabs. I will be finishing off my cutting phase and will get SUPER ripped at that time. Plus, my 10 year reunion is coming in June so I will be looking to turn some heads when I go. i was the skinny, long haired pot head in school so it will be interesting to see everyones face when i show up sober and ripped! What about stacking Epistane with other orals like anything I mentioned above? |
| Posted by: FAMOUS Mar 5 2007, 04:01 PM |
| How much did you see that hemaguno for at you local shop, cause there is a place around here that is getting it in tommorw and i was thinking of picking some up if it wasnt to expensive. |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 8 2007, 12:56 PM |
| I bought a bottle of Hemaguno about 10 days ago and started using 2 of them per day right away. The results have been amazing! I am up 10 pounds in 10 days which blows away Superdrol and Pheraplex for sure because I used them before too. Other than oily skin and a little shedding no sides from the Hemaguno. I feel really good too and my lifts are all up substantially. I know I can't keep making crazy gains like this forever and it will plateau so I am wondering if I can make this last longer by stacking Oxyguno on top of it? What do you all think? Oxyguno is supposed to be the mildest thing ever invented. Even more milder than Anavar is what the guy in the store keeps saying. So would it be worth it to stack Hemaguno and Oxyguno together and run a 45 cycle instead of just 30? I am totally set for PCT too. Have real Nolva. I am also taking cranberry extract and an anti-oxidant pill that was on sale in the store. Radox?<br><br><br>Bolo |
| Posted by: FAMOUS Mar 8 2007, 03:03 PM |
| What does your diet look like Bolo |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 9 2007, 08:00 PM | ||
My diet is 2,000 cals higher than before per day with most of it, about 400g, coming from good proteins like whey isolates.<br><br>I am also taking Liver Longer and X-Factor too. I'm wondering if the X-Factor somehow amplified the effects of Hemaguno because I read a post somewhere from Molecular that X-Factor increased AR sensitivity or something like that.<br><br>I'm going to run this for 30 days and I just ordered a bottle of Oxyguno. I think I will cross over to it as soon as I get the bottle and do both Hema and Oxy until I run out of Hema and then finish with the Oxy. I hope to get 45 days out of this stack and if I am lucky 20 pounds of pure muscle mass with some fat loss.<br><br>Hemaguno is top shelf. The local nutrition store near the gym is sold out of them. They got a dozen sold them and got a dozen more and sold them too. I asked if they were gonna get more in and they said its sold out. They are waiting for their Oxyguno and I did not want to chance it being sold out so I got it online.<br><br>The Hema is getting to be popular in my gym. Unfortunately there is no Havoc where I live and I was a little buggy about buying this stuff online. I'm not so sure my purchase of Oxyguno online was such a smart idea but my emotions got the best of me!<br><br>I do not trust what is in Epistane. Maybe it is real maybe not but PA returned his bottle to IBE and thats enough for me.  <br><br>Hemaguno works well at 2 tablets a day and it also leaves your breath minty fresh!<br><br>Bolo Cholo<br><br> |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 10 2007, 11:26 AM | ||||
Thanks for posting all of this. This is what I was looking for, an update or some info from someone who has used to product. Keep us updated on here about the remainder of your cycle of both. Do you happen to have before cycle pics and can you take after cycle pics so we can also see the progress? What are you stats (height, weight, age, experience with PH/AAS and lifting)? |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 16 2007, 08:42 AM | ||||||
I prefer to keep my information private so I am not posting pics or running a log.   However, I did start the switch over to Oxyguno two days ago. I am using 3 of them per day with 2 Hemaguno too and I did drop my calories down by 500 total. Could be me, dunno but I woke up this morning feeling much tigther under the skin and I woke up with the veins in my forearms and biceps popping out. I feel great. I mean I felt really good on Hemaguno but adding the Oxyguno really worked for my overall energy feelings. Its almost like NYC stack without the jitters and piss problems.<br><br>I did notice the Oxyguno after only two days. Not sure this will do much for adding a lot of mass or strength but I have a feeling this will be the best cutting product I have seen since I did a Primo/Anavar stack before a show two years ago.<br><br>Someone somewhere compared Oxyguno to Anavar and thats a great comparison. Taking the 3 Oxyguno feels almost identical to when I used 50mg of Anavar. Same effects of mood and that amazing tightness with freaky vascularity.<br><br>I can't wait to get into the gym today to train back and biceps.<br><br>Thinking of switching directions here a little and want some advice. I was planning on trying to get a lot of mass out of these two products. But after using Hemaguno for 3 weeks and finding out that Oxyguno is essentially legal Anavar I do not think this is a mass stack. So I am thinking maybe I should add in some Orastan A or Mega Zol to this and go for a massive recomp or cut.<br><br>If I could drop 4%-5% fat and not lose any overall size this would be worth it.<br>I just do not see me getting the mass gains I want from any of these.<br><br>Anyone think this is a better idea? I was going to start cutting a little later on after this stack but why waste my money?<br><br>Most guys reading this will be disappointed with Oxyguno if they are on a bulk. But for my money this is the best legal cutting hormone out there ever.<br><br>Don't buy this is you expect a lot of bulk. I would love for someone to run Oxyguno with some clen or T-3 to see what happens. Someone should do this with a log.<br><br>My oats are ready and then its gym time. Later.<br><br>Bolo<br><br> |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 16 2007, 08:58 AM | ||||||||
Ok, so here is what I was thinking, and tell me what your thoughts are on this. Iw as thining about hemaguno as a stand alone for 4 weeks to add some lean mass(my diet is low carb/low cal high protein now for cutting) and then in June or so I could stack the oxyguno with the old pro turanabol from Gaspari Nutrition(I have a bottle) and with that take the thermogenic thyrotabs from gaspari. I am cutting naturally now with my diet, lifting, cardio(30 mins 2-3 times a week) and taking an ECA stack and am at about 195 and 12%bf. After the hemoguno I would like to be at or around 200lbs and the same amount of bf and then at the end of june when I take the oxyguno/pro-turanabol/thyrotabs stack I would like to be at about 195lbs and 8%bf. My original thought was the PT with an orastan type product and the thyro tabs but it sounds to me like you think the oxyguno might be better than that and serve the same purpose, correct? |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Mar 16 2007, 09:39 AM |
| I've never seen so many HUGE blocks of text in my life. Unreadable. |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 16 2007, 10:07 AM | ||
What are you talking about? |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 16 2007, 10:14 AM |
| Shakes, I read your training log, and I am in no way trying to be an asshole or anything but unless I missed something I dont see where that has to do with the supplements that we are talking about here. I saw that you are cutting and using creatine, AAKG and stuff like that, but I didnt see any mention of any of the stuff mentioned in this log. Did I miss something? Again, not at all trying to be an ass, but am just trying to figure out what that was about and if it had anything to do with this. Aside from that, looks like you are making some good progress. |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 19 2007, 10:25 PM | ||
Oxyguno is the shiznit but you need to use four tabs a day and not three. I'm running two Hemagunos a day and four Oxygunos a day. I feel unbelievable and adding the Oxyguno made a big difference. Been stacking both for about a week. Already leaning out, feel hot and sweaty, look leaner. Getting tighter, grainier, pumped. I like it. Up 13 pounds since cycle started total. Eating cleaner and dropped cals by 500 to lean out a little. Noticed good mental effects from Hema but kicked in more when adding Oxy. Tons of energy and too much libido for the gf to handle, hah hah hah@! Oxyguno is a great cutter reminds of a cleaner verion of the original Halodrol 50. No sides more than the shedding that started with the Hema and a little bacne/acne. Except for libido! Have an appt with the doctor next week to have a physical so we'll see on the liver and cholesterol thing. Oxyguno seems to be the real deal. I'd say 30mg of Oxyguno > 50mg Anavar but the feel is very similar.<br><br>  <br><br>Bolo |
| Posted by: Prexier64 Mar 20 2007, 09:09 PM |
| Hemaguno reviews : you should run 2-3 pills a days ( suggested 2 before training + 1 before bed ) It's a nice products because it seem to have almost no side effect. No water Gain, just pain in abs sometime. 1 bottle of Hemaguno should make you gain around 5-10 pounds of lean muscle. Its recommanded to get a pct even if u do not feel the side effect. Liver pill is not needed for me.You get medium strenght gains and good pump.The products is not as strong as Superdrol and M1T but it do the job because of the NO SIDE EFFECT!!!. its product rated a 8.5/10 because of no side effect and gains, but maybe a bit stronger should be perfect. i will try the other pill of the same company ( blu one ) |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 20 2007, 10:13 PM | ||
Can you tell us more about who you are, your trainign experience, height, weight before and after the cycle and all that? Do you think this would be good as part of a cutting cycle? |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 21 2007, 12:24 AM | ||||
I think that both hema and oxy both are great for cutting or recomp. i started hema and wanted to increase mass. it works for that well. i bet it would also work well as a cutter by itself. i got the bottle of oxy because the information made me think it would have less sides than just increasing the hema dose. so far so good. i am making better gains so far as i can see stacking them both with zero increase in sides other than libido. i will be dropping hema in another week and will finish up with the oxy so i can tell you what the oxy does by itself then. for now the both of them make a killer stack. we'll see about the lab tests at the docs office though. i feel great. better than ever and i am starting to get that bodybuilder look about me from the two of them. people used to ask me if i worked out and i did a local show once. but now people ask me if i am a bodybuilder because i look better. if you can afford it i highly suggest this stack. lets hope i keep all i have gotten when i come off though. it will suck if i do not. bolo |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 21 2007, 09:17 AM | ||||||
Thanks for that update. Can you tell me what your weight was before you started the Hema and where you are at now? Basically I will be looking to do the hema for 4 weeks at 2 pills a day and taking that with lipodrene. My goal is to add some lean hard muscle while cutting fat. I have a low carb/cal high protein diet and life heavy (3 sets of 8-10 reps on almmost every exercise I do) and do about 20-30 mins of cardio twice a week. I am currently at about 195lbs and about 12%bf. I would love to add 5-10 lbs but drop to around 10%. You, or anyone, think that is possible with this stack I just mentioned and the workout and diet I am going through? |
| Posted by: Prexier64 Mar 22 2007, 09:36 PM |
| i weight for about 3 years, im 155 lbs. i didnt finish the bottle but i will tell you the finish reviews after. when i started i was weighting : 155 with a bit of fat. No im on 158 and i lost fat. at the bench i gained around 15 lbs of strenght with the products at the moment. so : +3 lbs of muscle -2 lbs of fat No side effect! ( no stomach pain  )26mg 1 30h before training. im on my second week of it. ( 2 of 4 )[COLOR=red] |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 23 2007, 09:42 AM |
| I was actually looking for a response from Bolo on his experience and to answer my above questions. No offense, but I cant understand half of what you just said, and if you weigh 155lbs and were only able to put on 3lbs on a cycle then to me that says you dont have enough experience with stuff like this or training and diet. I am looking for responses from people that know what they are doin gin the gym, with their diet, with PCT and have or are using this product and can give me some solid feedback. |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 24 2007, 02:12 AM | ||
Started at 197 and I am 211.5 today. My Hema/Oxy stack is working out just fine. Bolo |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 24 2007, 10:56 AM |
| Wow, 14.5 lbs? How long have you been on this for now? Can you tell if you have gained any bf at all or what? Sorry, but off the top of my head I dont recall what kind of diet you are on. How is your strenght gains so far? How much longer will you be taking this? And to refresh me, you are taking both of these together, correct? |
| Posted by: kosmo Mar 25 2007, 02:03 AM |
| Hey Bolo, just wanted to thank you for keeping us informed. I don't know if you guys know but there is an awful lot of controversy surrounding the Oxyguno. I have been running Epistane for a week now, and planned on running Oxy along with it almost exactly the same as you are Bolo. So far there is very little feedback on this product and they are even posting questionable lab tests on some of the other boards. I am beginning to wonder about the Oxy now... Bolo, if you could let us know how the doctor's visit goes and keep us updated on progress, it would be MUCH appreciated. I'm glad that the Oxy seems to be doing good things for you. Thx again. |
| Posted by: MoVin_Weight Mar 25 2007, 12:26 PM |
| i'v also seen some controversy on this product, even though its only been out like 2 weeks so there is very little info on it... but there is a log over at AM where the guy has seen zero effects in the first 8 days so that has me suspicious |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 25 2007, 10:30 PM | ||
went to the doc on thursday for the annual examination. should have labs this week. between hema and oxy i am up almost fifteen pounds. no clue who says its sketchy. i'm happy with the results i have gotten. it might all be from the hema but its strange that the recomp really came together for me after i added the oxy into the tank. dunno. i'm happy with both prods. when my store gets them back i will asbolutely buy a couple of both prods again to stash away. my w.o. partner uses hema alone. two yellow tabs in the morning and he is pretty happy too. he's going to add in one of the 6-brono estrogen blockers next week to give his cycle a boost up. the hemas are the real deal bros. my experience with the oxy is its the real deal too. unless all this progress i am making is just from the hema which i doubt because i felt chnged after adding the oxy into it.<br><br>don't know. will post labs when the nurse from the office sends me them. i feel terrific if that means anything to anyone. libido is up, lifts are up, weight is up, only downer is the shedding and zits on the back which are getting bad.<br><br>more info to come in the next day or two i hope. will try to answer questions best i can.<br><br>bolo <br><br> |
| Posted by: kosmo Mar 26 2007, 12:50 AM |
| thanx for the feedback Bolo. My order of Oxy should arrive tomorrow and I'll stick to my plan which is pretty similar to yours. Epistane and Hema are supposed to be the same exact compound. I've been 5 days on Epi @ 20 mg a day, already up 4 pounds and looking solid. I know what you mean about feelin' good too. I'll probably bump 30 mg for a week and then throw in Oxy while tapering down the Epi. I will be following your progress closely. Just so you know, Epistane/Hemaguno are supposed to have a very strong anti-estrogen effect. If that's true than your partner definately won't need the 6B. |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Mar 26 2007, 09:08 AM | ||||
Have all of your gains been lean and dry? How do you think hema would work while on a cutting diet? |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 26 2007, 02:02 PM | ||||||
very lean and too dry. knees and shoulder joints are getting a little sore. bro, no clue if it will work for you with what you want to do. got the results from the lab back.<br><br>ALT = 44 NORMAL IS 0-40<br><br>AST = 38 NORMAL IS 0-40<br><br>GGT = 36 NORMAL IS 0-50<br><br>TOTAL CHOLESTEROL = 198 <br><br>LDL = 102 <br><br>HDL = 53<br><br>TRIGS = 43<br><br>looks pretty normal to me. a little high on the alt but the nurse told me if i took tylenol or drank a beer that this could cause it to be high. also if you eat too much protein.<br><br>i'm pretty psyched. might up the oxy to 5 per day now.<br><br>bolo<br><br> |
| Posted by: kosmo Mar 27 2007, 01:40 AM |
| Lookin' good Bolo. Seems that others are starting to see some good things with the Oxy too. Most of them are running it solo at 3 or 4 a day and are saying it takes a good week or so to kick in. Seems that it may have a synergistic effect with the Hema. One guy is running six a day and his weight hasn't gone up much but he said he looks talot better in the mirror. Looks like it might be a solid cutter just like ya said. I've got some renewed faith and am looking forward to running it similar to your cycle. |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 27 2007, 02:00 AM | ||
im doing this more for recomp. i was gonna gain a lot of mass with the hema but decided two weeks in i wanted more of a leaner look for summer and the ladies but i am still up 15 pounds and i bet 12+ of that is muscle. today for the first time i could see that horseshoe look around my abs and my jeans are lots looser. i bet i lost closet to an inch off my waiste and abs. remember, i also gained 15 pounds too. i am a lot leaner. a lot. the best compliments i got were from a couple of women in my gym who are cardio bunnies. with the hema only they told me i was looking bigger. but with the oxy add in they now tell me its not that i look bigger but i look like a bodybuilder. i do not care if i gain any more size or if i even drop some size as long as i lean out and stay strong. tonight i did chest and tris. pr's in every lift. i got 315 on the incline for 4 reps and i have never got more than 295 before. weighted dips with a 75 pounder for sets of 15! i also managed to eek out a set of close gripped bps with 245 for 8 by myself. muscle feel full all the time and look tight. my diet is spot on though and i need to watch this cuz diet is real important. libido is getting to be a problem and the gf is on the rag this week so this sucks. i stayed at 4 oxys and 2 hemas. 213.5 on the scale tonight but people say i look like 225 or more. i need to start tanning for sure.<br><br>more to come<br><br>bolo |
| Posted by: FrankieMess Mar 27 2007, 03:31 PM |
| I just ordered my bottle of Hema as Im looking to add some bulk. The people who make Hemaguno say to cycle it with mass fx for a month then use a combination of isa test from isatori with novadex xt as a pct. Does anybody have any other suggestions? I have a bottle of 17-hd laying around I would like to use instead of one of those to save some dough. Any idea when I can mix that In? or what can I sub it for? |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 27 2007, 08:25 PM |
just did back and bis and i am amazed. standing barbell curls with 135 for 5 reps with a little help from a spotter for 3 more forced reps. did an extra set of wide grip chins for 12 solid reps before i even really felt anything. this is a good combination and the only thing i ever used better for strength gains was m1t back. well some of the real stuff too, lol! just saw the big fiasco on two other boards about the three companies making the epithiostain compound. bros this is obvious just viral advertising for market share. i would have bought havoc or epistane for sure if my local vitamin store carried them but they didnt and i do not feel comfortable ordering this stuff off the net. i let my emotions get the better of me and did order the oxy off the net i admit this. both products seem to be perfectly cool. i dunno bros it seems really fishy to me all this fighting. its sad these companys cant all get along. hey i like the sfr brand even if its a few coins more. the local vitamin store is carrying it so i can walk in there with cash and no hassle. know what i am saying? if they carried epistain or havoc i'd buy them too. supposedly the sfr guys have a new nonmethyl product coming out like gaspari orastan a but they will sell in america. i am going to be all over that. meanwhile the results i am getting off the sfr stuff is pretty sweet.<br><br>tomorrow is an off day so no posts for me but i am going for a monster leg day on thursday and will try for a pr on the 45 degree leg press. wish me luck. oh yeah, i am still gaining more weight than i want. i'm going to drop another coupla hundred cals a day. 216 today at the gym. i'd like to end up at 205 when this is done and be shredded for the beach. wish the gf was off the rag already!  <br><br>Bolo<br><br> |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 29 2007, 01:26 PM |
| Took a half day from work and went to lunch and the gym. leg day today. i did not hit any pr's but it was a killer workout and my quads are so tight I can't walk well. seeing good seperetion in the quads. i looked in the mirror in the gym before my shower and i do look more like a bodybuilder now than i did except when i did a state competition a few years ago. i'm still continuing to gain weight and was 214 on the scale before working out. gonna drop back another 500 cals and up the cardio to 1 hour x4 per week. also gonna drop from 4 to 3 oxy as i do not think i needs this much. no sides. other than shedding and bacne on the shoulders which looks terrible. serious libido increase and the gf is off the rag i hope tomorrow night!!!!!!!<br><br>bolo |
| Posted by: kosmo Mar 30 2007, 08:18 PM |
| Damnn, my Oxyguno order got mucked up and I gotta wait a few more days. Everybody using this is getting results now. Every update I read from you Bolo has me achin' to start this stuff. My libido is almost too outta control from the Epi right now and if the Oxy makes it worse I don't know what I'm gonna do. Luckily threre's 5 million women here in NYC! BTW the new one from SFR is called Furaguno. If you google it you'll get some info. I was hopin' you'd go for that one too as I know I will! |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 31 2007, 02:18 PM | ||
i like the hld cholersterol thing with furaguno! the guy in the store near me says he is going to have it in 2 weeks. said they can only order something like 36 bottles from the wholesaler and there is a waiting list already in the store. luckily i am on the list for 2 bottles of this stuff. might not use it now, might wait until june or july and use it to bridge me through the summer.<br><br>i am down to 2 hemas and 3 oxys per day and next week i am done with the hemas and on to oxy only.<br><br>so far this has been one of the better stacks i have done wrt to body recomp and overall look or feel to muscles. off to eat then to the gym. latah!<br><br>bolo<br> |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Mar 31 2007, 07:04 PM |
| ended up doing a monster shoulder workout today. pr's in the bhn press and upright rows. however today was 1st day me and the gf'er could have sex since she was on the rag and i noticed the facial was not quite what it normally is. no noticeable shrinkage per the gf. just a little light in the special sauce department. so i guess this stuff has some effects on your boys. i was thinking for awhile i would not need pct but its good that i have the stuff on hand because for sure i will use it now. just hate pinning.<br><br>nothing new to report really other than the acne on my traps and rear delts rubbed up against my tee shirt in the gym and one giant bacne zit popped and oozed through while doing bhn presses. heh heh. feeling great, look amazing, i want to start hitting the tanning bed for the acne and maybe to look a little better.<br>have that bowling ball shoulder look now and do not want to waste it.<br><br>gonna be visiting a friend most of next week and working out in kentucky so it might be a week before i post again. hope all this is helping.<br><br>bolo<br><br> |
| Posted by: kosmo Apr 1 2007, 12:52 AM |
That was a very informative post. Since I've been on Epi, I've noticed that the creamy italian isn't so thick myself. But it doesn't really matter cuz after 3 rounds the other night I was still ready. Your posts are appreciated bro so if you can get any updates to us while in KY that would be cool  |
| Posted by: Cyberstorm Apr 1 2007, 01:56 AM | ||
LOL,I got my 20 year reunion comming up in August I was the skinny short haired with a slight mullett nerd in highschool,now I'm the very big and soon to be ripped longhaired metal duud,lol |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Apr 2 2007, 10:22 AM | ||||
Well being that I graduated in 1997, mullets werent really "in" at that point! LOL But I do look forward to showing up there and having people ask "who is that" for the first few minutes! I was just reading on the furaguno and it looks like a great product. Tuesday was actually my birthday and soemone is giviing me a bottle of Methyl E from EST, which is the same compound as hemaguno, so instead of the hema I am going with the methyl E and taking lipodrene with it. Then in June I plan on taking the pre ban pro-turanabol I have at the house, furaguno and thermogenic thyrotabs. My plan is by the end of the methyl e cycle, the pct after that and then the cycle I just mentioned above is to be around 195 lbs and at about 8%bf. i am currently about 195 lbs but at 12%bf. |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Apr 4 2007, 12:26 AM | ||||||
hey bros! did check and tris today. still having killer workouts. weight is down to 210 but i am a little dehydroated now so that might be why. but i look great, really tight. need to tan more. this is a great stack. i don't know what else i can add to this. i'm satisfied. if yuo wanto bulk run SD or something like that. if you want recomp than hema-oxy is the way to go. bolo |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Apr 4 2007, 08:51 AM |
| I am also very curious about the new furaguno that this company has coming out. It looks like it might be good to stack that with the hemaguno and/or the oxyguno to help get really lean and hard. |
| Posted by: kosmo Apr 7 2007, 02:29 PM |
| Well got my Oxyguno a few days ago, and also got a nasty cold! Makes me mad as hell. I'm still taking the Epistane but lowered the dosage to 20 mg a day, and yesterday felt a little better and added 2 Oxyguno pills. Can only do very light workouts cuz I feel shitty. Hopefully this will pass quickly and I can let you guys know how it goes. |
| Posted by: collum141 Apr 10 2007, 01:21 PM |
| Guys, As with anything related to health, supplements, and/vitamins, you should only take as much as the directions on the side of the bottle say to take and when to take them. The reason why we have legislation to ban supplements is because people overuse them and cause deaths, injuries. For example Ephedrine: A college football player dies from using ephedrine. The news stated this and only this. It did not state however that the young man had asthma, was taking three or four pills of ephedra a day, and working out with gear on in 100 degree weather. The bottle said take one a day to help combat asthma. Here is the deal: when you first take something you get a good feeling from it, like ephedrine. After a while though your body gets used to it and that jittery feeling and well being eases up and you dont seem to notice it so much. So people try to take more to allow for themselves to have that same feeling they once had when they started it. Instead of going off it for awhile to allow your body to recoop. Since the legislation is already passed we should see hemguno/oxyguno banned and taken off the market sometime soon. However this product by following the directions would probably not kill anyone and neither would any of the other products that have been banned. Using more than what is directed can be a fatal mistake, if anything it may cause side effects that you dont want either. So to put it bluntly people using more than directed and having problems ultimately caused the government to step in and take over the supplement world. So to BOLO: Taking four oxyguno along with stacking it with Hemaguno is probably not a good idea, especially when it says to only take three of them a day if that. To the young guys in here, start with half the dosage and see if it does anything for you before moving up to the max amount, you may not even need it and will see less side effects and loses when you are finished with your cycle. And always take precautions Liver Support, PCT. PC |
| Posted by: bob1961 Apr 10 2007, 10:55 PM |
| hello all don,t post hardly ever i read the posts alot though alot of interesting posts ! i am a 46 year old guy about 244 pounds 6,0 tall ,, i would say i have a fairly high fat content ,, i have been working out pretty heavy for a year and 3 months now after some injurys ,, i wanna have a 300 pound bench press again and having a hard time getting there my max is 275 ,, i recently got the oxyguno and i do take some other sups ,, tribfolia , pre and post work out by n-pac ,, and protien sup ,, i have been taking the oxy for about 5 days with 2 work out days in there ,, i do feel tighter more pumped , it says on the bottle to take up to 3 pills a day ? spaced out ? i noticed some of the posts say they are taking sometimes 2 befor work out then one later that night ? was wandering what would be best for me ? any ideas or thoughts greatly appreciated i would love to lose more inches ,, but im more interested in gaining strength with some size ? thanks again |
| Posted by: kosmo Apr 11 2007, 01:39 AM |
| Bob, Taking 3 pills spaced throughout your day will keep your blood levels a little more even, and two before workout Might give you a slight boost during and right after. I try to evenly space my doses. Make sure to have some type of PCT ready and you may want to take some milk thistle or other liver support supplement while on cycle.. Make no mistake, you are taking a steroid. OTC but still a steroid. Hope it works for ya. |
| Posted by: bob1961 Apr 11 2007, 08:12 PM |
| thanks kosmo i didn,t get any pct yet ,, i need to right away thanks again ! |
| Posted by: kosmo Apr 13 2007, 04:34 PM |
| Yo Bolo, just wanted to know if you got any updates for us. I got too sick from the feckin' flu to continue. Sadly, I called it quits. I'll wait till mid summer or later to take another run at this stack. |
| Posted by: Bolo_Cholo Apr 15 2007, 09:32 PM | ||
sorry....been away in kentucky and not much net access. i am taking oxy only now and i look freakin amazing. i look like a real bodybuilder and not just some dude who lifts in the gym. hema and oxy are a great stack. i see there is so much controversy about epi and havoc so i would just spend the extra $10 and get hema instead. i can't remember any hormonal stack, even illegalized ones that work as goof as hema and oxy did for cutting me up.<br><br>glad i have a few bottles of each put away. fo sure gonna try fura too.<br><br>bolo |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Apr 16 2007, 09:36 AM |
| Well I actually just purchased the Methyl-E from EST, but it is the same thing as hemaguno, so i am loking forward to seeing what kind of results I get from it. I am already a naturallylean guy, and i am also taking thyrogen X from alri with this so i am thining that at the end of the cycle I should be able to put on between 8-10 very lean lbs and loose some body fat also. So if bolo had great success with the hemaguno then I dont see why I wont have similar success with M-E. I am also looking forward to the furaguno, and I will buy that as soon as it comes out! I plan on stacking that with the old pro-turanabol from gaspari and taking thyrotabs with it. Should be awesome! |
| Posted by: FrankieMess Apr 19 2007, 04:47 PM |
| Im smack in the middle of my Hema and I freakin love this stuff so far its really lived up to the hype and not many things ever have for me. The only side Im getting is some bad nausea at times during the day. It will last for about ten minutes and be really severe like Im about to lose it, has anybody else been having this problem? I also havent heard much about the Fura, anyone have any info on it? |
| Posted by: bigwasserman Apr 19 2007, 10:13 PM | ||
All I know aboutt he Fura is that it is the exact same thing as orastan-a and from what I heard about orastan-a is that it was AWESOME! It is the PH form of Fuzabol which is similar to winstrol. I know it will be available VERY SOON on other sites |
| Posted by: b3llo38 Apr 26 2007, 10:10 PM |
| anyone else have any info? i dont like to trust many people, and it seems like everyone posting positive about these 2 products have barly any posts. |
| Posted by: FrankieMess Apr 30 2007, 10:31 AM |
Hey just because I just joined this board doesnt mean I dont know what Im talking about. Ive been serioulsy working out for 5 years now and have tried more supplements then I can count. This is one of the very few that have actually lived up to the hype for me, as a matter of fact within just a few days I could really see and feel a difference. The best thing about it is that its not like an overpriced 70 dollat MT product. You can pick it up for anywhere in the high 40s and it will last you at least a month. The two negatives that I had were some bad nausea when I upped my dosage from 1 Hema a day to 2 a day and I know some people on here said it made their libido go nuts where as I actually had a dramatic decrease in mine and its made my semen burn my girl for some reason so its pretty much ruined my sex life for the past month.  But as far as my gym life Ive had vast improvements across the board...... |
| Posted by: TrippleThreat May 3 2007, 11:14 PM |
| this whole thread seems like bullshit to me. could be wrong, but it just sounds fake and really "reppy"... |
| Posted by: MoVin_Weight May 4 2007, 12:56 PM | ||
This sounds like liver damage to me, or at least major liver stress... support supps???? |
| Posted by: kosmo May 8 2007, 02:19 AM | ||
Wow. Thank you so much for your valuable and limitless insight. |
| Posted by: Mixer X May 8 2007, 08:23 AM |
| I've tried Oxyguno alone...1st on the reccomended dosage of 3 tabs a day which didn't do a thing. This stuff isnt methylated, so its severely under dosed. If you want results from it you'll either have to take 5 x the recomended dose or stack it with something else.. if the company tweaks it, it can still be worthwhile...either methylate it or boost the mg. of each pill a hell of a lot. |
| Posted by: MoVin_Weight May 8 2007, 08:49 AM |
| HA! 5x the dose at 60 buck a bottle... fuck that shit |
| Posted by: Mixer X May 8 2007, 09:15 AM | ||
Exactly. The company has to correct it or its next to worthless as a stand alone product. |
| Posted by: FrankieMess May 9 2007, 07:14 PM | ||||
i only had the nausea for a few days and yeah I loaded up on milk thystle before and during. I just finished up yesterday and plan on taking it for a couple more weeks...... |
| Posted by: gmonturi Oct 29 2009, 04:37 PM |
| can i stack hemaguno and oxyguno together at the same time if so how do i do it please someone respond |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Oct 29 2009, 10:46 PM | ||
When someone tested them they were found to be the exact same thing, not the two diff compounds they were labeled to have been. Most users reported them to be pretty weak and you had to dose much higher than recommended to see results. Not worth it. |