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Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 5 2007, 03:59 PM
Obviously smoking weed lowers one's energy, ambition, drive, passion, etc etc.

But does it have any effect on muscle growth?

I have a decent diet, I lift 4-5 times a week and I take some supplements, but I most definitely get stoned on a consistent basis. Never before workouts, only after.

It usually leads to me resting on the couch and devouring massive amounts of food and protein products.

Will the ganja effect the growth of my muscles though?

(please say it makes you bigger.......lol) cool.gif

Posted by: DR X Feb 5 2007, 04:01 PM
We have been down this road before so before it gets out of hand I'm moving it out of this section.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 5 2007, 04:07 PM
Sorry bro, I'm a newb. Love liftin, enjoy myself a smoke, just fishin for info.

Posted by: Roids Feb 5 2007, 04:09 PM
Smoke up! It won't hurt your gains at all. Just don't let your diet get out of hand when you're stoned. That is, lay off the twinkies, cheetos, and milk shakes. It may lower test levels, but the amount is insignificant and temporary.

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 5 2007, 04:10 PM
Its less harmful to your muscles then alcohol.

Posted by: Roids Feb 5 2007, 04:14 PM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 5 2007, 04:10 PM)
Its less harmful to your muscles then alcohol.

^ word ^

Posted by: ftank Feb 5 2007, 04:19 PM
It can be an effective supplement for gaining if used responsibly. Like Roids said, stay away from the junk food -- stick to the good stuff. I'll eat a can of tuna (no mayo), about 4 or 5 servings of peanut butter or a slab of salmon with crackers.

Bad idea? A bag of Funyuns, king sized Skittles, bag of Oreos, et al. laugh.gif

Edit: Not to mention it encourages me to lift harder knowing I can "kill the pain" later cool.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 5 2007, 04:25 PM
Nice, glad to know I can still get superhigh without it taking away from getting big.

I've been using cottage cheese as a snack (cuz of the hight protein) and doing Whey Protein shakes with banana and peanut butter as snacks between my normal meals.

Posted by: DR X Feb 5 2007, 04:30 PM
Nothing like all the stoners pooling together. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Roids Feb 5 2007, 04:38 PM
Dude, it's like a means of bonding. It makes people closer. If everyone smoked once in a while, like we wouldn't have so many wars and so much violent crime. It should be legal, like it's our god-given right to smoke. It like totally natural. People who don't smoke just like totally don't understand.

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 5 2007, 04:47 PM
I know if I smoked regularly my blood pressure would be lower...

Posted by: DR X Feb 5 2007, 04:48 PM
QUOTE (Roids @ Feb 5 2007, 02:38 PM)
Dude, it's like a means of bonding. It makes people closer. If everyone smoked once in a while, like we wouldn't have so many wars and so much violent crime. It should be legal, like it's our god-given right to smoke. It like totally natural. People who don't smoke just like totally don't understand.

I bet if we could be Bin Laden and George to sit down and fire up a fatty all our problems would be solved.

Let's bring back the peace pipe.

Posted by: ftank Feb 5 2007, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (DR X @ Feb 5 2007, 04:48 PM)
I bet if we could be Bin Laden and George to sit down and fire up a fatty all our problems would be solved.

Let's bring back the peace pipe.

Osama would probably park it... mad.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 5 2007, 04:56 PM
I've absolutely bonded with the majority of my friends over a fatty, or a bowl, etc etc. Less dangerous than alcohol if you ask me.

If you're black-out drunk, you're more likely to get into a car accident, get into a fight, smack a girl, etc etc....if you're stoned, you're most likely to watch Super Troopers, eat lots of food and take a nap.

Gotta love a fat bowl after a post-workout shower.

Posted by: ftank Feb 5 2007, 04:57 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 5 2007, 04:56 PM)
Gotta love a fat bowl after a post-workout shower.

I tend not to shower until I get home (I live like 5 minutes from Gold's) -- that and I like to start the ritual before my shower wink.gif.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 5 2007, 05:25 PM
Same here. I live in NYC, my gym is 2 subway stops and a few block walk from my apartment (probably 12 minutes total) so I shower when I get home too.

Always an extra relaxing shower when you're stoned as hell, it's cold outside and the water is steaming hot.

I know you're supposed to drink a protein shake right after lifting, but what's the time limit there? Does it matter if I do it like 45 min after, or does it need to be immediate?

Posted by: ftank Feb 5 2007, 05:47 PM
Within 30 minutes generally speaking.

Workout, go home, smoke, drink, shower. cool.gif

Posted by: flava 4 rava Feb 5 2007, 05:52 PM
smoking weed will lower your test levels, if you smoke say once a week it wont be enough to have any real significance, but if your a pure pot head like some off my mates, and god forbid like i used to be then yes it will effect your gains.

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 5 2007, 05:58 PM
QUOTE (flava 4 rava @ Feb 5 2007, 05:52 PM)
smoking weed will lower your test levels, if you smoke say once a week it wont be enough to have any real significance, but if your a pure pot head like some off my mates, and god forbid like i used to be then yes it will effect your gains.

Those claims are disputed by much more recent studies

Posted by: agold Feb 5 2007, 06:01 PM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 5 2007, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE (flava 4 rava @ Feb 5 2007, 05:52 PM)
smoking weed will lower your test levels, if you smoke say once a week it wont be enough to have any real significance, but if your a pure pot head like some off my mates, and god forbid like i used to be  then yes it will effect your gains.

Those claims are disputed by much more recent studies

do you know where i can find one of these studies, bc i cannot find any but would love to locate one

i thought this was true, but perhaps just another popular myth

theres nothing wrong with sittin back and suckin back a fatty here and there... if you havent been already..get your ass to amsterdam! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: SFW_SFW Feb 5 2007, 06:16 PM
I actually saw bigger gains when i was smoking every day. i have stopped within the last month and a half because im getting a blood test in march and thats a no no. hahaha but yeah id say smoke it up but keep it in moderation.

Posted by: ShakesAllDay Feb 5 2007, 07:32 PM
Started smoking regularly (daily) at age 18. At that time, I weighed ~160.

I'm now 26. I've smoked everyday since, except this last month... I haven't smoked any... trying to quit the habit. I am now 226 (+66lbs.). I've only been lifting since 2002, aside from lifting in high school. So, it won't limit gains too bad. As long as you can function and get to the gym and not cave in on the diet, it's fine.

Of course, one could say, "Imagine how big you'd be now if you didn't smoke pot." Maybe I would be 250. Who knows?

Posted by: derek99512 Feb 5 2007, 11:50 PM
there was a 4 or 5 page long thread about this not very long ago

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 6 2007, 09:59 AM
Sorry to rehash (no pun intended) the subject, but I'm new to the board, figured I'd get a little discussion going.....that and draw the stoners out so I could see who they were.

Sup boys!!!! Would love to lift some heavy iron with y'all and burn a serious blunt afterwards!

Been lifting at the Bally's on 106th and 3rd, no partner.....sucks.

"Yo bro, think you can spot me real quick?".....gets old

Posted by: TAC Feb 6 2007, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (Roids @ Feb 5 2007, 04:38 PM)
Dude, it's like a means of bonding. It makes people closer. If everyone smoked once in a while, like we wouldn't have so many wars and so much violent crime. It should be legal, like it's our god-given right to smoke. It like totally natural. People who don't smoke just like totally don't understand.

Ah! Peace and less violence.... just like in all those countries where weed grows... like afghanistan... or the lebanon.... or Jamaica.... or cambodia.... or..... blink.gif


laugh.gif
(just joking, got nothing against weed personally, just dont do it myself any more)

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 6 2007, 05:37 PM
I really hate it when people are taller then me.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 7 2007, 01:17 AM
You'd hate me, I'm taller than everyone.

Here's my unnecessary bitching about it: my arms are mad long, which makes bench and pullups extra hard, since my wingspan is like 6' 9''.

OK, i'll shut up now, being tall rocks.

BTW, I am high as a giraffe ass right now.

Posted by: Dave876 Feb 7 2007, 01:53 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 6 2007, 10:59 AM)
Sorry to rehash (no pun intended) the subject, but I'm new to the board, figured I'd get a little discussion going.....that and draw the stoners out so I could see who they were.

Sup boys!!!! Would love to lift some heavy iron with y'all and burn a serious blunt afterwards!

Been lifting at the Bally's on 106th and 3rd, no partner.....sucks.

"Yo bro, think you can spot me real quick?".....gets old

Fellow stoner here...welcome

Posted by: derek99512 Feb 7 2007, 03:10 AM
QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ Feb 5 2007, 07:32 PM)
I haven't smoked any... trying to quit the habit. ?

hows that going? what do you do to keep your mind off it?

Posted by: ftank Feb 7 2007, 01:30 PM
QUOTE (derek99512 @ Feb 7 2007, 03:10 AM)
QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ Feb 5 2007, 07:32 PM)
I haven't smoked any... trying to quit the habit.  ?

hows that going? what do you do to keep your mind off it?

I need some ideas of productive shit to do after work on days I'm not hitting the gym. Sitting at home watching TV and not smoking induces mild anxiety and irritability (gotta love withdrawal!). Kinna sucks on days I don't -- nurfs (reduces) my apetite a little.

Outdoor stuff wont happen until next month or so (not that I couldn't "play" in 60-65°F weather, I just don't want to;)). Only things I can think of to do inside involve eating. laugh.gif (maybe its also slight retardation from smoking, but I didn't admit to that!)

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 7 2007, 02:21 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 7 2007, 01:17 AM)
You'd hate me, I'm taller than everyone.

Here's my unnecessary bitching about it: my arms are mad long, which makes bench and pullups extra hard, since my wingspan is like 6' 9''.

OK, i'll shut up now, being tall rocks.

BTW, I am high as a giraffe ass right now.

LOL yeah, you're taller then me but only by 2 inches so I guess I can live with it...

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 7 2007, 02:22 PM
QUOTE (Dave876 @ Feb 7 2007, 01:53 AM)
Fellow stoner here...welcome

WTF Dave, where you been at? hows life?

Posted by: Dave876 Feb 7 2007, 02:24 PM
I've been around bro,just started posting again yesterday..How you been?

Posted by: ftank Feb 7 2007, 03:49 PM
LMAO!

Someone at work just asked if it'd be rude to bring in their hookah to WORK to smoke tobacco out of...

...no it wouldn't be rude but it would probably be inappropriate! Paraphernalia?

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 7 2007, 05:52 PM
Smoking tobacco out of a hookah is so much better then smoking a cigarette.

Posted by: flava 4 rava Feb 7 2007, 09:00 PM
drugs are bad mmk, smokins bad mmk

Posted by: joseph23573 Feb 7 2007, 11:56 PM
Yeah, Ive been smoking buds for a long time. Never interfered with my training.



Posted by: ftank Feb 9 2007, 01:11 PM
Need to find a pot-head chick that isn't a fat hoe..... unsure.gif

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 9 2007, 01:33 PM
QUOTE (Dave876 @ Feb 7 2007, 02:24 PM)
I've been around bro,just started posting again yesterday..How you been?

I been alright... you know, rollin with the punches...

Posted by: ftank Feb 13 2007, 11:01 PM
... ph34r.gif

Posted by: joseph23573 Feb 13 2007, 11:03 PM
Weed helps me grow. Helps me stuff my face and keep my mass.

Posted by: ftank Feb 13 2007, 11:06 PM
QUOTE (joseph23573 @ Feb 13 2007, 11:03 PM)
Weed helps me grow. Helps me stuff my face and keep my mass.

Yup. I was joking about this with someone earlier today.

Posted by: joseph23573 Feb 13 2007, 11:10 PM
I'm drinking another two scoops of muscle milk with 12 oz milk and a handful of frozen raspberries tongue.gif


Throw that shit in my bullet and SHAZAAM!!!! yum yums laugh.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Feb 14 2007, 12:11 AM
i could go for a blunt right now and just relax and watch movies.....

Posted by: azfittrainer Feb 14 2007, 09:23 AM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 5 2007, 04:10 PM)
Its less harmful to your muscles then alcohol.

Source?

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 14 2007, 09:56 AM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 5 2007, 04:10 PM)
Its less harmful to your muscles then alcohol.

Source?

LOL

Posted by: azfittrainer Feb 14 2007, 10:12 AM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 09:56 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 5 2007, 04:10 PM)
Its less harmful to your muscles then alcohol.

Source?

LOL

Well, do you have some proof to back up your claim?

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 14 2007, 10:15 AM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 5 2007, 04:10 PM)
Its less harmful to your muscles then alcohol.

Source?

Considering the calories, fat and sugars that are typically in most alcoholic beverages, you'd think that they would be "worse" for your body than smoking, which has no nutritional value.

The smoking will damage your lungs and make you lazier, which could affect your body if you let it get to the point where you no longer train because of it, but that's probably it.

What are your thoughts AZFit?

Posted by: azfittrainer Feb 14 2007, 10:17 AM
Alcohol in moderate dosages is actually good for you, especially your heart. I'm just calling him out for making a claim without any eveidence to back it up.

Posted by: TommyD Feb 14 2007, 10:26 AM
Pot has NO redeeming qualities??

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 14 2007, 10:48 AM
QUOTE (TommyD @ Feb 14 2007, 10:26 AM)
Pot has NO redeeming qualities??

Who said that Tommy?

Pot has plenty of redeeming qualities, IMO. Just flat out fun times, and it doesn't help while bulking either. Hard to eat 6x a day, plus supps, etc without the munchies every now and then!

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 14 2007, 10:49 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 14 2007, 10:48 AM)
QUOTE (TommyD @ Feb 14 2007, 10:26 AM)
Pot has NO redeeming qualities??

Who said that Tommy?

Pot has plenty of redeeming qualities, IMO. Just flat out fun times, and it doesn't help while bulking either. Hard to eat 6x a day, plus supps, etc without the munchies every now and then!

meant to say doesn't hurt* while bulking

my bad

Posted by: TommyD Feb 14 2007, 10:57 AM
Nah JW, we're cool...it was directed at AZ...he knows he setting AF up. Every good thing ever written about the bennies of pot have had studies to refute them.

Posted by: ftank Feb 14 2007, 11:02 AM
QUOTE (joseph23573 @ Feb 13 2007, 11:10 PM)
I'm drinking another two scoops of muscle milk with 12 oz milk and a handful of frozen raspberries tongue.gif


Throw that shit in my bullet and SHAZAAM!!!! yum yums laugh.gif

Bullet = greatest invention ever

Chipotle Burrito bowl, double steak
two cups veggies
two pieces of wheat bread with natty pb
two apples
an orange
cup of sunflower seeds

..that was last night. Man that vaporizer rocks!

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 14 2007, 11:07 AM
First of all, Chipotle is the shit. Secondly, FTank, do you have the Volcano Vaporizer?

http://www.storz-bickel.com/en_home.htm

What is the bullet? I've got a hand blender for my shakes, works like a charm.

Posted by: ftank Feb 14 2007, 11:13 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 14 2007, 11:07 AM)
First of all, Chipotle is the shit.  Secondly, FTank, do you have the Volcano Vaporizer?

http://www.storz-bickel.com/en_home.htm

What is the bullet?  I've got a hand blender for my shakes, works like a charm.

Nah, its a one-handed vaporizer. VAPIZER or something.. dunno, its a friends.

Magic Bullet? http://www.buythebullet.com/

Put everything you can into a cup-size serving (or whatever size you want to put on it), screw the top on and stick it on the blender. ZINNNNNNNG, done. Unscrew, take the top off and enjoy. cool.gif Its basically a user-friendly blender with minimal cleanup. The cups go in the dishwasher like any other cup.

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 14 2007, 11:19 AM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 10:17 AM)
Alcohol in moderate dosages is actually good for you, especially your heart. I'm just calling him out for making a claim without any eveidence to back it up.

I was referring to recreational doses. Alcohol is liver toxic and has significant negative effect on hormones.

Posted by: TommyD Feb 14 2007, 11:25 AM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 11:19 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 10:17 AM)
Alcohol in moderate dosages is actually good for you, especially your heart. I'm just calling him out for making a claim without any eveidence to back it up.

I was referring to recreational doses. Alcohol is liver toxic and has significant negative effect on hormones.

I've got yer back...... wink.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 14 2007, 11:27 AM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 11:19 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 10:17 AM)
Alcohol in moderate dosages is actually good for you, especially your heart. I'm just calling him out for making a claim without any eveidence to back it up.

I was referring to recreational doses. Alcohol is liver toxic and has significant negative effect on hormones.

Source?





lol

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 14 2007, 11:31 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 14 2007, 11:27 AM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 11:19 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 10:17 AM)
Alcohol in moderate dosages is actually good for you, especially your heart. I'm just calling him out for making a claim without any eveidence to back it up.

I was referring to recreational doses. Alcohol is liver toxic and has significant negative effect on hormones.

Source?





lol

LOL!

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 14 2007, 11:33 AM
QUOTE (TommyD @ Feb 14 2007, 11:25 AM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 11:19 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 10:17 AM)
Alcohol in moderate dosages is actually good for you, especially your heart. I'm just calling him out for making a claim without any eveidence to back it up.

I was referring to recreational doses. Alcohol is liver toxic and has significant negative effect on hormones.

I've got yer back...... wink.gif

thank you wink.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Feb 14 2007, 12:19 PM
QUOTE (TommyD @ Feb 14 2007, 10:57 AM)
Nah JW, we're cool...it was directed at AZ...he knows he setting AF up. Every good thing ever written about the bennies of pot have had studies to refute them.

I never disputed that Marijuana has some documented benefits

Thats besides the point of his argument

His statement is making multiple claims

1.) Alcohol consumption in and of itself impairs muscle mass, muscle quality and strength

2.) Marijuana has the same effects

3.) Marijuanas effects on muscle growth, and function are less detrimental than those of Alcohol

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 14 2007, 01:07 PM
QUOTE

2.) Marijuana has the same effects



huh.gif

Posted by: vanity2 Feb 14 2007, 01:09 PM
Shakes is a big guy and he smokes crazy dope.

Posted by: azfittrainer Feb 14 2007, 01:09 PM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 01:07 PM)
QUOTE

2.) Marijuana has the same effects



huh.gif

You stated that Marijuana is less harmful to muscles than Alcohol, which therefore implies you intend that Marijuan is harmful

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 14 2007, 01:18 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 01:09 PM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 01:07 PM)
QUOTE

2.) Marijuana has the same effects



huh.gif

You stated that Marijuana is less harmful to muscles than Alcohol, which therefore implies you intend that Marijuan is harmful

No, thats not what I implied at all. It COULD be argued that there is a potential for cannabis consumption to be counterproductive due to hormonal changes, but this argument would be based on outdated, recently refuted, government studies designed to fuel propaganda.

Sleeping could be considered less harmful then sticking your pinky finger in an electric pencil sharpener.

Does this statement infer that sleeping is harmful in the same way as blending your little finger?

Does it imply that sleeping is harmful AT ALL?

Does it refute any claim that sleeping may actually be beneficial?

I think not.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 14 2007, 01:26 PM
You guys going back and forth over this is just adorable.

Peace pipe anyone?

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 14 2007, 01:28 PM
Man.. I smoked some salvia last night... its so awesome, never ceases to amaze me... kind of like azfits hardheadedness.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 14 2007, 01:40 PM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 01:28 PM)
Man.. I smoked some salvia last night... its so awesome, never ceases to amaze me... kind of like azfits hardheadedness.

Where are you from that you're gettin that good salvia?

The NYC delivery service sends good shit, but overpriced.

Can't wait to move to Cali, heard the bud is awesome.

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 14 2007, 02:30 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 14 2007, 01:40 PM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 01:28 PM)
Man.. I smoked some salvia last night... its so awesome, never ceases to amaze me... kind of like azfits hardheadedness.

Where are you from that you're gettin that good salvia?

The NYC delivery service sends good shit, but overpriced.

Can't wait to move to Cali, heard the bud is awesome.

click the link in my sig... iamshaman

they are unbeatable.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 14 2007, 03:03 PM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 02:30 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 14 2007, 01:40 PM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 01:28 PM)
Man.. I smoked some salvia last night... its so awesome, never ceases to amaze me... kind of like azfits hardheadedness.

Where are you from that you're gettin that good salvia?

The NYC delivery service sends good shit, but overpriced.

Can't wait to move to Cali, heard the bud is awesome.

click the link in my sig... iamshaman

they are unbeatable.

Just PM'ed you about it bro, thanks

Posted by: Tom69655 Feb 14 2007, 03:21 PM
smoked salvia once; never again. I mean it is a cool one-time experience but I hate the feeling of being out of control of yourself.

Posted by: azfittrainer Feb 14 2007, 03:35 PM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 01:18 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Feb 14 2007, 01:09 PM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 01:07 PM)
QUOTE

2.) Marijuana has the same effects



huh.gif

You stated that Marijuana is less harmful to muscles than Alcohol, which therefore implies you intend that Marijuan is harmful

No, thats not what I implied at all. It COULD be argued that there is a potential for cannabis consumption to be counterproductive due to hormonal changes, but this argument would be based on outdated, recently refuted, government studies designed to fuel propaganda.

Sleeping could be considered less harmful then sticking your pinky finger in an electric pencil sharpener.

Does this statement infer that sleeping is harmful in the same way as blending your little finger?

Does it imply that sleeping is harmful AT ALL?

Does it refute any claim that sleeping may actually be beneficial?

I think not.

You stated that MJ was less detrimental than alcohol, which implies it also has detriments. If you believe it has not detriments, you should have stated so. Either way you've provided no evidence to back up your claim.

Posted by: derek99512 Feb 14 2007, 03:39 PM
i didnt like salvia.tastes like cess and did nothing for me.my freinds said they thought things looked more shiny for some reason.some of my freinds bought more of it but they would only smoked it when they where drunk.once was enough for me.but on th link in your signature it says an once is 7 bucks? i thought my freind paid like 50$ for 10 times or 50 times extract for a single gram

oh nevermind that was for the plain salvia i think

Posted by: ftank Feb 14 2007, 07:36 PM
You can buy salvia at headshops like whippits. Its like weed, only without the chill feeling. You get all the mental blocks -- but for me I was still all angry, mad and depressed. Maybe that's because I smoked it while on ecstacy. unsure.gif

Posted by: joseph23573 Feb 14 2007, 07:45 PM
Buncha pot heads in here rolleyes.gif

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 14 2007, 09:50 PM
QUOTE (ftank @ Feb 14 2007, 07:36 PM)
You can buy salvia at headshops like whippits. Its like weed, only without the chill feeling. You get all the mental blocks -- but for me I was still all angry, mad and depressed. Maybe that's because I smoked it while on ecstacy. unsure.gif

Sounds like you didn't smoke it right. Salvia is NOTHING like weed.

Posted by: joseph23573 Feb 14 2007, 09:52 PM
Salvia is NOTHING liek weed, correct.



Posted by: ftank Feb 14 2007, 10:23 PM
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 09:50 PM)
QUOTE (ftank @ Feb 14 2007, 07:36 PM)
You can buy salvia at headshops like whippits. Its like weed, only without the chill feeling. You get all the mental blocks -- but for me I was still all angry, mad and depressed. Maybe that's because I smoked it while on ecstacy.  unsure.gif

Sounds like you didn't smoke it right. Salvia is NOTHING like weed.

It was out of a giant hookah that time. The first time I tried it was out of a little orb vaporizer (didn't do shit that time). Worth trying again?

Posted by: Roids Feb 15 2007, 11:26 AM
But pot is a drug. So if you smoke pot, you are smoking drugs. And if you smoke drugs then you are a drug attick. don't you all no that?


Don't take drugs, mkay...

Posted by: Dave876 Feb 15 2007, 11:58 AM
QUOTE (Roids @ Feb 15 2007, 12:26 PM)
But pot is a drug. So if you smoke pot, you are smoking drugs. And if you smoke drugs then you are a drug attick. don't you all no that?


Don't take drugs, mkay...

I go to NA meetings so I am an admitted drug addict.....

And yes Roids I know you were kidding laugh.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 15 2007, 12:56 PM
QUOTE (Dave876 @ Feb 15 2007, 11:58 AM)
QUOTE (Roids @ Feb 15 2007, 12:26 PM)
But pot is a drug.  So if you smoke pot, you are smoking drugs.  And if you smoke drugs then you are a drug attick.  don't you all no that? 


Don't take drugs, mkay...

I go to NA meetings so I am an admitted drug addict.....

And yes Roids I know you were kidding laugh.gif

Stay strong Dave, keep it up.

Although I don't really consider marijuana that big of a deal when it comes to drugs.

Mellow good time, but granted that depends on one's individual POV.

Posted by: Dave876 Feb 15 2007, 02:26 PM
Thanks JW,I have been strong..I dont really consider weed as a drug...I had narcotic problems,but still smoke to keep sane..

Posted by: AgnosticFront Feb 16 2007, 12:38 PM
QUOTE (ftank @ Feb 14 2007, 10:23 PM)
QUOTE (AgnosticFront @ Feb 14 2007, 09:50 PM)
QUOTE (ftank @ Feb 14 2007, 07:36 PM)
You can buy salvia at headshops like whippits. Its like weed, only without the chill feeling. You get all the mental blocks -- but for me I was still all angry, mad and depressed. Maybe that's because I smoked it while on ecstacy.  unsure.gif

Sounds like you didn't smoke it right. Salvia is NOTHING like weed.

It was out of a giant hookah that time. The first time I tried it was out of a little orb vaporizer (didn't do shit that time). Worth trying again?

Yes. Salvia is one of the most powerful psychedelics in existence. Right up there with smoked DMT. You have to burn it hard, with the flame to the bowl the entire time you hit it. You have to HOLD IT IN. as long as you can. This is very important.

Best to smoke out of a short pipe with a bic lighter.

Salvinorin is very soluble in water and the smoke will cool to the point it which some of the salvinorin will remain in the water pipe... therefore water pipes should be avoided.

Also the vaporizer didn't work because the Salvinorin has to get VERY HOT before it vaporises, not like THC.

Posted by: ftank Feb 16 2007, 01:17 PM
What's it do specifically? And how long do the effects last?

Posted by: Will109090 Feb 17 2007, 03:36 AM
From what I've read on the Net, effects last about 20 minutes.

Posted by: Alan115396 Feb 17 2007, 06:13 PM
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Can't wait to move to Cali, heard the bud is awesome.


You heard right!!!!

Nothing but sticky green indica bud here in No.Cal............Just got some from the Santa Cruz Mtns. that sticks to the wall biggrin.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 17 2007, 06:15 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Feb 17 2007, 06:13 PM)
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Can't wait to move to Cali, heard the bud is awesome.


Nothing but sticky green indica bud here in No.Cal............Just got some from the Santa Cruz Mtns. that sticks to the wall biggrin.gif

Nice man! We're moving to SoCal, San Diego. Hopefully the sticky icky will find it's way down there too.

Posted by: Alan115396 Feb 17 2007, 06:19 PM
I lived in San Diego for 15 yrs.........don't worry, brah............plenty of sticky icky in Diego.......Good Mexican Sesnsimilia for sure smile.gif

Posted by: ftank Feb 17 2007, 08:08 PM
Living in Texas has its benefits. Plenty of green from our brown friends. Some of the last stuff I had was a dark dark blue. It sparkled and stuck to the wall. cool.gif

Posted by: Cdubya Nov 10 2007, 09:53 PM
Haha don't mean to bump the thread, but I just feel better getting my opinion out there.

I smoke 4-5 times a week and making the best gains of my life. I would say the only real factor to consider is the munchies, but that's nothing even close to serious unless you're on a strict diet. Moving to Santa Monica, CA next fall for school, good buds there? JW, you moved to Diego right? How are the greens down there?

Posted by: sdf42450 Nov 10 2007, 10:33 PM
QUOTE (ftank @ Feb 16 2007, 12:17 PM)
What's it do specifically? And how long do the effects last?

salvia makes an acid trip look like a trip to the petting zoo

Posted by: Alan115396 Nov 10 2007, 11:20 PM
Nice...One of my fav threads is back biggrin.gif

I'll answer for J-dub, since he hasn't lived in Diego yet and I was there for 15 + years.......Yes plenty of good bud makes it's way to Diego......either from NoCal or Mexico cool.gif

Posted by: Ducktoe69x Nov 10 2007, 11:28 PM
QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Nov 10 2007, 11:33 PM)
QUOTE (ftank @ Feb 16 2007, 12:17 PM)
What's it do specifically? And how long do the effects last?

salvia makes an acid trip look like a trip to the petting zoo

Salvia sucks shit....I've experienced with a lot of different substances and I have to say that was a terrible experience. I don't know if the stuff I had was really low quality or what, but I hit it hard with a hot flame the whole time and I got extremely dizzy, i instantly felt like i was covered with ants that were kinda nibbling at me (not as sharp as a bite), and I couldn't see shit...vision blurred very intensely.

If you think it's better than acid...you've never hit some strong window pane...that shit will destroy your mind. It's been so long since I came across anything like that anyways....stick to the jolly green giant. If it's as nice as Alan says, that's all you need man...stuff in FL is either good or crap. The only time any good bud has come here was from either British Colombia or Homegrown (3+ clone generation, anything less is crap).

My buddy grew some Blueberry/Northern Lights back in 02' that was a 5th generation clone plant. It literally smelled like buttery fluffy blueberry muffins when it smoked, tasted like eating a blueberry muffin, and got you really, really, really, REALLY stoned for 6hours or so. Best shit ever!

Posted by: AdamGrossman Nov 10 2007, 11:59 PM
Did you smoke plain salvia leaf or an extract? Whenever i get it i get a 20X extract and its a TRIP. Visuals, audios, and out of body experience. The only thing is its so damn expensive and the high doesnt last long. Last time i smoked it i was in my buddy's kitchen watching tv and everyone was talking at once and their heads turned into boxes. Like the top of their head was a box and the bottom half was a box and they moved like Canadians on South Park. And when i sat down my chair disappeared from under me and thought i was levitating. No weed or any other drugs in me at the time...

Posted by: derek99512 Nov 11 2007, 12:25 AM
i also thought salvia was shitty when i tired it.

Posted by: Alan115396 Nov 11 2007, 12:32 AM
QUOTE (Roids @ Feb 5 2007, 02:38 PM)
Dude, it's like a means of bonding. It makes people closer. If everyone smoked once in a while, like we wouldn't have so many wars and so much violent crime. It should be legal, like it's our god-given right to smoke. It like totally natural. People who don't smoke just like totally don't understand.

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You kill me Roids cool.gif

Posted by: sdf42450 Nov 11 2007, 12:38 AM
extract... leaves made me "giggly" at best.

the extract will blow you away. dont' get me wrong... i would (hypothetically of course) pick acid over salvia anyday. im just saying that if the acid was like riding your bicycle down a steep hill, that salvia is like riding it off a cliff (that drops you UP -- f'n weird scheit it is). salvia seemed much more primal, if you dont' just TOTALLY let yourself/ego go and ride with it, that it can be a terrifying experience

Posted by: Doogsy Nov 11 2007, 06:56 AM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Nov 11 2007, 05:59 AM)
Did you smoke plain salvia leaf or an extract? Whenever i get it i get a 20X extract and its a TRIP. Visuals, audios, and out of body experience. The only thing is its so damn expensive and the high doesnt last long. Last time i smoked it i was in my buddy's kitchen watching tv and everyone was talking at once and their heads turned into boxes. Like the top of their head was a box and the bottom half was a box and they moved like Canadians on South Park. And when i sat down my chair disappeared from under me and thought i was levitating. No weed or any other drugs in me at the time...

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Posted by: JW32Hoops Nov 11 2007, 09:56 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 5 2007, 04:07 PM)
Sorry bro, I'm a newb. Love liftin, enjoy myself a smoke, just fishin for info.

This was the first thread I ever started. wink.gif

Posted by: J.R.85 Nov 11 2007, 10:24 AM
Never seen this one befor, nice thread..

Posted by: willpiazza31 Nov 11 2007, 10:27 AM
I wish I had some right now...

Posted by: AdamGrossman Nov 11 2007, 10:55 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Nov 11 2007, 09:56 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 5 2007, 04:07 PM)
Sorry bro, I'm a newb.  Love liftin, enjoy myself a smoke, just fishin for info.

This was the first thread I ever started. wink.gif

Ahhhhhhh memories....

Posted by: JW32Hoops Nov 11 2007, 11:00 AM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Nov 11 2007, 10:55 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Nov 11 2007, 09:56 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Feb 5 2007, 04:07 PM)
Sorry bro, I'm a newb.  Love liftin, enjoy myself a smoke, just fishin for info.

This was the first thread I ever started. wink.gif

Ahhhhhhh memories....

I promised myself I wouldn't cry.

9 months since this thread started, I've gained like 20lbs and smoked damn near everyday. Time to go SFW and get back here so I can pack a bowl before the 1:00 football games come on! cool.gif

Posted by: Alan115396 Nov 11 2007, 03:09 PM
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Posted by: JW32Hoops Nov 11 2007, 03:10 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Nov 11 2007, 03:09 PM)
Pimpin Purple Hair right nowuser posted image

That emoticon is hilarious. I'm bout to hit this outdoor. unsure.gif

Posted by: Alan115396 Nov 11 2007, 03:12 PM
I think you might get me in FF this week, J-Dub........AP is outta the game(my stud).....

Glad you started Santana Moss, though laugh.gif

I accidently started him in my other league mad.gif

Posted by: Alan115396 Nov 12 2007, 05:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0B7bzP-Gog


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Posted by: AdamGrossman Nov 12 2007, 10:10 AM
Not to change the subject, but what about this writer's strike? Jon Stewart in that clip just reminded me of it. All the writers for tv shows like that are on strike so there's no new episodes coming out now. I think i read they're pissed because they're not getting any cuts from DVD sales, which i'd be pissed at too.

Posted by: Cdubya Nov 13 2007, 12:51 AM
High as fuck as we speak

Posted by: Alan115396 Nov 15 2007, 06:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ify-3kAxWbg&NR=1

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Posted by: derek99512 Nov 15 2007, 07:35 AM
they where not getting any cut from any dvd or onling sales and they where pissed. they have started making family guys with new creators since seth mcfarlene is on strike. he also did alot of the voices so the ones without him should be interesting.........

Posted by: AdamGrossman Nov 15 2007, 03:57 PM
QUOTE (derek99512 @ Nov 15 2007, 07:35 AM)
they where not getting any cut from any dvd or onling sales and they where pissed. they have started making family guys with new creators since seth mcfarlene is on strike. he also did alot of the voices so the ones without him should be interesting.........

If that's true then those will be the worst Family Guy's ever. Seth McFarlane is the driving force behind that show, both with jokes and voices. It's like trying to do Late Night with Conan but without Conan. It just won't work.

Posted by: Alan115396 Nov 19 2007, 01:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5apMroe1ykI&feature=related

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Posted by: Doogsy Nov 19 2007, 04:18 AM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Nov 15 2007, 12:08 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ify-3kAxWbg&NR=1

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Bob Saget is the man!

Posted by: derek99512 Nov 19 2007, 09:01 AM
ever seen the aristicrates (sp?)?

Posted by: JW32Hoops Nov 25 2007, 01:39 PM
Bumping this thread as i pack a Sunday morning football/hangover helper bowl. The other "smoking every night" thread got too negative. Guess that's what happens when certain guests crash the party with their annoyingness.

Don't know about you guys, but I've been using my "appetite enhancer" all weekend. cool.gif

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Posted by: AdamGrossman Nov 25 2007, 02:38 PM
YESSIR. I took a month off from lifting and have just taken it easy. Little smoke here, little smoke there, i'll get my fill of it for awhile then get back in the gym big time. FYI... Man Vs. Wild is an AWESOME show to watch while scalded. That dude has some grande cojones to be doing that shit.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Nov 25 2007, 03:04 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Nov 25 2007, 02:38 PM)
FYI... Man Vs. Wild is an AWESOME show to watch while scalded.  That dude has some grande cojones to be doing that shit.

Haven't watched that one, but will have to check it out. Burning a Pineapple White Owl (my fav) right now!

Favorite Shows to Watch When Blazed:

Simpsons
Flight of the Conchords
Aqua Teen Hunger Force
Family Guy
Human Giant
Munchies (was on Fuse...only lasted like 1 or 2 seasons)
Planet Earth
It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia

Posted by: AdamGrossman Nov 25 2007, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Nov 25 2007, 03:04 PM)
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Nov 25 2007, 02:38 PM)
FYI... Man Vs. Wild is an AWESOME show to watch while scalded.  That dude has some grande cojones to be doing that shit.

Haven't watched that one, but will have to check it out. Burning a Pineapple White Owl (my fav) right now!

Favorite Shows to Watch When Blazed:

Simpsons
Flight of the Conchords
Aqua Teen Hunger Force
Family Guy
Human Giant
Munchies (was on Fuse...only lasted like 1 or 2 seasons)
Planet Earth
It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia

Thats a good list dude. I've never heard of some of them. Man Vs Wild is really intense. As dumb as it sounds, sometimes it really feels like you're right there next to him doing the shit.

my list would be

Simpsons
Family Guy
Drawn Together
South Park
Futurama
Man vs Wild
Wildboyz
any show about planets or outer space


Posted by: JW32Hoops Nov 25 2007, 03:18 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Nov 25 2007, 03:11 PM)

Thats a good list dude.  I've never heard of some of them.  Man Vs Wild is really intense.  As dumb as it sounds, sometimes it really feels like you're right there next to him doing the shit.

my list would be

Simpsons
Family Guy
Drawn Together
South Park
Futurama
Man vs Wild
Wildboyz
any show about planets or outer space

Those are some funny ass shows. Never got into Drawn Together, but the ones I've seen have been funny. Lil Bush is pretty good too. South Park is absolutely classic.

You'd dig Planet Earth, especially if you have HDTV. It's on Discovery and it's just the craziest shit in nature you've ever seen, shot with the illest cameras known to man. It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia is on FX on Thursday nights, friggin hilarious. Aqua Teen is a bugged out cartoon, you'd dig that, judging by your list. It's on Cartoon Network at night during the "adult swim" hours.

I'm extremely baked, eating a chicken parm hero right now. Score.

Posted by: derek99512 Nov 25 2007, 08:45 PM
remember duckman?

i have hd discovery and sometimes AE HD and hdnet with my new hdtv. need to get a hd digital cable box for more hd channels

Posted by: Ducktoe69x Nov 25 2007, 10:44 PM
yes, he's my cousin


Naa...Duckman was a pretty funny show, I honestly forgot all about it! It was a pretty funny show too.


O...get the Bright House HD box w/ DVR. I don't think i could ever go back to normal TV without the DVR now! Plus, Any football game in HD is 50x better than without.

Posted by: Will109090 Nov 26 2007, 12:35 AM
When blazed, Law & Order is the best shit.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Nov 26 2007, 04:48 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Nov 25 2007, 03:18 PM)
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Nov 25 2007, 03:11 PM)

Thats a good list dude.  I've never heard of some of them.  Man Vs Wild is really intense.  As dumb as it sounds, sometimes it really feels like you're right there next to him doing the shit.

my list would be

Simpsons
Family Guy
Drawn Together
South Park
Futurama
Man vs Wild
Wildboyz
any show about planets or outer space

Those are some funny ass shows. Never got into Drawn Together, but the ones I've seen have been funny. Lil Bush is pretty good too. South Park is absolutely classic.

You'd dig Planet Earth, especially if you have HDTV. It's on Discovery and it's just the craziest shit in nature you've ever seen, shot with the illest cameras known to man. It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia is on FX on Thursday nights, friggin hilarious. Aqua Teen is a bugged out cartoon, you'd dig that, judging by your list. It's on Cartoon Network at night during the "adult swim" hours.

I'm extremely baked, eating a chicken parm hero right now. Score.

I've seen planet earth a couple times and it is very good. I can see how it would be much better in HD. There's one called fearless planet coming soon that i want to see. Nature shows while stoned are great. Marijuana is a gift from nature and should be used while watching nature!

Posted by: FunkyTuna Nov 26 2007, 05:55 PM
hells yeah. fearless planet was on last night - the sahara dessert episode.

Posted by: Regulator Nov 26 2007, 09:21 PM
ricky williams back for the fins tonight..this ones for you brother cool.gif

Posted by: AdamGrossman Nov 27 2007, 06:11 PM
QUOTE (Regulator @ Nov 26 2007, 09:21 PM)
ricky williams back for the fins tonight..this ones for you brother cool.gif

Well so much for Ricky's comeback...DAMN YOU MARIJUANA! You ruin people's lives!!!!

Posted by: JW32Hoops Dec 22 2007, 12:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFN1XwDOqE

I fly like paper, get high like planes
If you catch me at the border I got visas in my name
If you come around here, I make 'em all day
I get one down in a second if you wait

I fly like paper, get high like planes
If you catch me at the border I got visas in my name
If you come around here, I make 'em all day
I get one down in a second if you wait

Sometimes I feel sitting on trains
Every stop I get to I'm clocking that game
Everyone's a winner now we're making that fame
Bonafide hustler making my name

Sometimes I feel sitting on trains
Every stop I get to I'm clocking that game
Everyone's a winner now we're making that fame
Bonafide hustler making my name

All I wanna do is *BANG BANG BANG BANG!*
And *KKKAAAA CHING!*
And take your money

All I wanna do is *BANG BANG BANG BANG!*
And *KKKAAAA CHING!*
And take your money

All I wanna do is *BANG BANG BANG BANG!*
And *KKKAAAA CHING!*
And take your money

Pirate skulls and bones
Sticks and stones and weed and bongs
Running when we hit 'em
Lethal poison through their system

Pirate skulls and bones
Sticks and stones and weed and bongs
Running when we hit 'em
Lethal poison through their system

No one on the corner has swag like us
Hit me on my banner prepaid wireless
We pack and deliver like UPS trucks
Already goin to hell just pumping that gas

No one on the corner has swag like us
Hit me on my banner prepaid wireless
We pack and deliver like UPS trucks
Already goin to hell just pumping that gas

All I wanna do is *BANG BANG BANG BANG!*
And *KKKAAAA CHING!*
And take your money

All I wanna do is *BANG BANG BANG BANG!*
And *KKKAAAA CHING!*
And take your money

All I wanna do is *BANG BANG BANG BANG!*
And *KKKAAAA CHING!*
And take your money

M.I.A.
Third world democracy
Yeah, I got more records than the K.G.B.
So, uh, no funny business

Some some some I some I murder
Some I some I let go
Some some some I some I murder
Some I some I let go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFN1XwDOqE

Posted by: JW32Hoops Dec 30 2007, 01:06 AM
I'm gonna smoke a fatty bowl 2 da neck. Who's wit me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaPHdisOQs8

Posted by: Alan115396 Dec 30 2007, 01:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWXoRnXp0XM&feature=related

I'm wit ya!!!!!!!!!!!firing one right now cool.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Dec 30 2007, 01:23 AM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Dec 30 2007, 01:16 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWXoRnXp0XM&feature=related

I'm wit ya!!!!!!!!!!!firing one right now cool.gif

"You're a real nigga man....green eyes gon miss ya!"

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Posted by: Alan115396 Dec 30 2007, 01:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir62Ait6Y8Q


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Posted by: JW32Hoops Dec 30 2007, 01:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CftpuY5CUWI

Posted by: Alan115396 Dec 30 2007, 01:43 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBKuESaGa00

Posted by: JW32Hoops Dec 30 2007, 01:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-AXTx4PcKI

Posted by: Alan115396 Dec 30 2007, 02:01 AM
Nice!!!!!!!! laugh.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaKkuJVy2YA


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Posted by: JW32Hoops Dec 30 2007, 02:15 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hloiO0Kli20

Posted by: Will109090 Dec 30 2007, 02:22 AM
I know one of the actresses from the movie American Psycho. If you remember the scene at the dinner table with the brunette, I know that bitch!

Posted by: JW32Hoops Feb 19 2008, 10:02 PM
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Posted by: AdamGrossman Feb 19 2008, 10:33 PM
Dude man. Props to bumping a sweet thread. Got my MIND BLOWN by The Universe on History Channel tonite.

Posted by: Brad Cowin Feb 19 2008, 10:50 PM
Any of you guys vaporize?

Id been using mine daily for a good 5 months and they are hands down the best way to get high IMO. Maybe not for a group smoke session, but if its just you and your girl or something, they're unbeatable.

Sucks though, I gotta quit for a while til I find a new place to work. sad.gif