My Westside Template

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Posted by: Jason2459 Jan 27 2007, 10:16 PM
Can't seem to update this main part with out getting constant errors. There must be a character length limit or something? I've updated the link below.

Posted by: unstable Jan 28 2007, 06:24 PM
that file doesn't work.

Posted by: Jason2459 Jan 29 2007, 09:59 AM
Well, at first I thought it was the digital signature screwing it up. Then I thought maybe it was because of Office 2007 trying to create it in compatability mode. Finally saved it in wordpad and saved as a rtf but no matter what the server side keeps screw up the file and comes back down looking like crap. Seems like html is the only format that it doesn't mess up.

Posted by: unstable Jan 29 2007, 05:53 PM
Ok, major problem I'm seeing with the template is your choice of ME bench work.
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Flat bench
Incline
Decline
Floor
JM Press
JM Floor
Carpet Presses
Pin Presses


Nowhere do I see boards...for me, I haven't done an incline or a decline bench since I started back up training and I put over 100 lbs. on my bench using primarily boards and lockouts.

Secondly, military presses and overhead work can be put in as ME exercises. For example, max out on an overhead press off of pins from chin height.

Next problem:

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Upper back or OHP work (6-10 reps for 3-5 sets)

Tri and or Delt work (12-15 reps for 4-5 sets)


Let's sum this up really quick...do a ME exercise, hit your triceps, delts and lats...you can do some upper back work like reverse flys or face pulls.

It's not "tricep and/or delt work".

As for your DE squat work, you can do a wave if you want to, but personally I don't see a great need unless you have high volume.

Next thing I'd suggest is only dedicate 1 out of every 4 workouts to deadlifts.


You're going to find out that you are going to have to experiment with ME exercises to find out which ones work best for you...you can't really make up a template and expect optimal results. It is going to probably take 6 months to a year of going through various exercises and charting your progress to see what works and what doesn't.

But as they say on reading rainbow...don't take my word for it.

Posted by: Jason2459 Jan 29 2007, 08:28 PM
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Ok, major problem I'm seeing with the template is your choice of ME bench work.
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Flat bench
Incline
Decline
Floor
JM Press
JM Floor
Carpet Presses
Pin Presses


Nowhere do I see boards...for me, I haven't done an incline or a decline bench since I started back up training and I put over 100 lbs. on my bench using primarily boards and lockouts.


Actually those were under the Supplemental/Assistance work for Bench. Maybe I could make it a little clearer. The ME days were above that. Later on I'll start adding band work to more of the Supplemental and Assistance work.

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Secondly, military presses and overhead work can be put in as ME exercises.  For example, max out on an overhead press off of pins from chin height.


I like it, will add in.


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Next problem:

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Upper back or OHP work (6-10 reps for 3-5 sets)

Tri and or Delt work (12-15 reps for 4-5 sets)


Let's sum this up really quick...do a ME exercise, hit your triceps, delts and lats...you can do some upper back work like reverse flys or face pulls.

It's not "tricep and/or delt work".


I was trying to look back at my logs and see what I did on each day. It varied quite a bit so I tried to be as vague as possible but still answer questions on how many sets and reps does one do. I like your cut and dry approach. I'll try and rephrase it.


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Next thing I'd suggest is only dedicate 1 out of every 4 workouts to deadlifts.


I completely agree and down the road that is what I'll be doing.


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You're going to find out that you are going to have to experiment with ME exercises to find out which ones work best for you...you can't really make up a template and expect optimal results.  It is going to probably take 6 months to a year of going through various exercises and charting your progress to see what works and what doesn't.

But as they say on reading rainbow...don't take my word for it.


Point well taken and understood. I do like the template though to remind me of the basics to go by and take it from there what I need. The template is just that and nothing that I expect to give me everything I need.

You know I'll take any words you can give me. I'll have to update the template tomorrow as this site doesn't seem to like my browser at home and doesn't let me modify that post.

Thanks.

Posted by: unstable Jan 29 2007, 09:33 PM
I'll tell you what...
I read about Westside Barbell probably in 1995 or so in Powerlifting USA. I spent countless hours trying to make sense of all of the percentages and max effort exercises and all of the rhetoric that Louie Simmons spilled.

I latched up with a guy who actually visited Westside on a regular basis and he wrote out a plan for me. Basically the only thing that I was doing that was had a westside flavor was benching by percentages.

I did my best as a teenager in High School to read through Zatsiorsky's "Science and Practice of Strength Training". Quite frankly, I think you have to possess an affinity for that type of shit to begin to understand literature at that level.
A year later or so I visited Westside and, while it was cool and I got to see the work ethic there...I didn't learn a whole hell of alot. Most of the guys there were really cool, Louie especially.

Somehow I eventually began to understand that Westside/Conjugate training is kind of like Bruce Lee's "Jeet Kun Do"

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I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that. There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity.


Dizenzo said it best with the whole "Smash Fucking Weights' quote. Too many guys get wrapped up in reps, sets, volume...which exercises to do when...supplemental, accessory work, gpp...I'll be honest when I say that I still don't understand what the fuck the difference is supposed to be between supplemental and accessory work....and does it matter?

Me and my training partner will pick a ME exercise...start light and work up to a max. We'll finish that up and hit the supporting muscle groups with whatever exercises we feel like hitting.

That's really all there is to this.

I can't continue to stress the importance of boards on the bench bro. I used to do alot of inclines, declines, floor presses, blast strap pushups...quite frankly ALOT of bullshit. When I started devoting time to the boards, my bench went up. I think that you can pretty much count on the same happening for you, otherwise boards wouldn't be so prevelent in powerlifting these days...




Posted by: Jason2459 Jan 29 2007, 09:48 PM
I'm going to revise the template tomorrow. I was putting in vary round about numbers for the reps and sets as I thought someone would give me crap or ask about it anyways. I like your approach to the straight forward.

I'm still trying to figure out how to get the boards to work out at the gym. Hopefully by the summer I'll have found a training partner. I might have a candidate as long as he keeps working out. He used to do some power lifting but switched to BB last year and another negative is that he's been very inconsistent but just started back up again this month.

Posted by: unstable Jan 29 2007, 10:41 PM
make up some boards....at one point I did all of the math to determine how many 2x6's you'd need to make a 1-6 board.

The EliteFTS boards are 15" not including the handle. I'd give yourself 4" for a handle if you even want one...I've seen guys work boards without a handle at all.

So:
1 = 19"
2 = 34"
3 = 49"
4 = 64"
5 = 79"
6 = 94"
=========
339" total / 28.25 feet of board

At Home Depot / Lowes have them cut 6 pieces that are 19"
and the rest should be 15".

At home:
Cut out a 4" handle on 6 pieces
Then use screws to screw them together to build up 2-6 boards.


As for a training partner...you have to make due with what you have now. When you're at the gym, just ask someone to hold the board for you. Most people will be happy to help between sets. It sucks, but it's better than not using boards.

Posted by: Jason2459 Jan 30 2007, 01:01 PM
Updated the template above.

Posted by: Roids Jan 30 2007, 03:22 PM
For what it's worth, I've found also that using your knee wraps to tie thr boards to your chest is actually quite effective if you don't have a second spotter to hold them.

Posted by: Jason2459 Jan 30 2007, 03:29 PM
Never thought of the knee wraps. I was going to try and use the weight belt and call somone over to spot once I got up to around the 90% range. I'll try both and see how it goes. I have to stop giving excusing on why I'm not using them. I know I have at least one if not two 8 or 10' 2x6 boards at home. I should be able to make at least a 2 and 3 board to get me started. I'll use them next week starting a fresh three week mini-cycle.


Unstable, thanks for the measurements.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Jan 30 2007, 03:38 PM
What if you get some velcro and attach it to the bottom of the boards and to your shirt. smile.gif

That would be awesome.

Posted by: unstable Jan 30 2007, 04:50 PM
actually if someone could invent a halfway fucking decent way to hold the boards without a third person, they could make some money.

Knee wraps or even bands will work, but what I noticed is the boards will shift and it will fuck up your reps. Even if you have a total retard holding the boards, sometimes they'll let the board slide and then you are more worried about the boards than your reps.

Another idea with the boards if you don't have a spotter is...Setup in a power rack, set the pins to below where the boards are...like if you are doing a 2 board, that's approximately 4" off the chest...set the pins to 2" below the top of the boards.

Then if you can't get a rep, you can roll it off of the boards to the pins and stand up with a little dignity.

The velcro idea that will had is pretty decent. Should stop it from sliding around. Should patent a little getup where it's a velcro vest you can slide into and attach the boards to them

Posted by: Roids Feb 1 2007, 12:04 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Jan 30 2007, 03:38 PM)
What if you get some velcro and attach it to the bottom of the boards and to your shirt. smile.gif

That would be awesome.

Or, having a hot naked chick sitting on your dick area and holding the boards for you. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Feb 1 2007, 04:07 PM
If your using a PL routing for general strength enhancment, like Unstable said, don't get too worked up over details

For ME days pick one Core exercise, then lift moderately heavy in 1-3 supplement lifts

For DE you can do 2 core exercises, and 1-3 supplementary exercises.



Posted by: Jason2459 Feb 5 2007, 09:11 AM
I really didn't think I was going that much into details with the template. It was just that a basic template to go buy after going through the 9 week beginners program.

Btw. Just got my boards put together and will be using the 4board this Thursday for my ME Bench.

Posted by: 0311 Feb 5 2007, 09:16 AM
You don't own a shirt I assume, so you should consider doing 2 board presses as an ME lift, and save the 4 board for your triceps supplemental. You're bench isn't especially strong, so 4 board pressing won't be AS beneficial for you as 2 boards. Now, if you're benching with a shirt I could see 4-5 board presses as the feature presentation. cool.gif

Posted by: Jason2459 Feb 5 2007, 09:51 AM
No shirt, I'm going to be competing unequipped. I was thinking 4 board as I've been doing some low pin presses recently and wanted to get it higher. Maybe 3 board then?

Posted by: Jason2459 Jan 18 2008, 10:29 AM
QUOTE (Jason2459 @ Feb 5 2007, 08:51 AM)
No shirt, I'm going to be competing unequipped. I was thinking 4 board as I've been doing some low pin presses recently and wanted to get it higher. Maybe 3 board then?

No you fuck'n dipshit, 1 and 2 boards, like 0311 said, as low end is where you need to build up your strength as an unequipped lifter. Use the 3 board as supplement or a ME exercise if going for an RE/ME day targeting more of the triceps but concentrate more on full range, 1, and 2 boards.


(It's great to get all this shit logged so you can go back and tell your self off after you've learned more. laugh.gif )

Posted by: azfittrainer Jan 18 2008, 04:45 PM
Are you arguing with yourself in your own thread? blink.gif blink.gif

Posted by: Jason2459 Jan 18 2008, 04:51 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Jan 18 2008, 03:45 PM)
Are you arguing with yourself in your own thread? blink.gif blink.gif

Yep. Beginner me vs. Well still Beginner me with more knowledge.

Posted by: azfittrainer Jan 19 2008, 01:32 PM
QUOTE (Jason2459 @ Jan 18 2008, 04:51 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Jan 18 2008, 03:45 PM)
Are you arguing with yourself in your own thread? blink.gif  blink.gif

Yep. Beginner me vs. Well still Beginner me with more knowledge.

So who's winning the fight?

Posted by: Vaporize Jan 21 2008, 08:47 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Jan 19 2008, 01:32 PM)
QUOTE (Jason2459 @ Jan 18 2008, 04:51 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Jan 18 2008, 03:45 PM)
Are you arguing with yourself in your own thread? blink.gif  blink.gif

Yep. Beginner me vs. Well still Beginner me with more knowledge.

So who's winning the fight?

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