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Posted: Jun 25 2004, 05:48 PM
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Right now i'm getting towards the end of my first 9 week m1t cycle...have been seeing pretty good results

i started with 2 pills of m1t (5mg per pill) for 2 weeks along with using about 6 sprays of 4derm

for pct after that 2 weeks, i did 2 weeks of 6oxo and milk thistle (without the 4derm obviously)

for the 5th week of the cycle i upped the m1t dosage to 3 pills per day and now i'm on the 6th week taking 4 pills per day

after this week i will have 3 weeks of pct

i have had some gyno forever...i purchased some xtreme formulations prevent after reading some about it awhile back and tried it with little to no success...the other night (for some reason) i was going out and wanted my nips to be less puffy (don't ask)...so i put some of the prevent on (since it basically makes the nips hard for about 2 hours or so)...but now it has been 2 days since then and my nips seem to be puffier than they used to be

so i'm not sure if it has anything to do with m1t (it isn't very androgenic so i didn't expect to have any gyno flare up) or it might just be partially due to the prevent for a day

now i'm wondering if i should look into getting some eform just for the next week or so until i go on pct...also for future m1t cycles

so my question...can i use 4derm in conjunction with eform? since from what i've read you shouldn't use eform during pct, but more during the cycle

is there anything else i should look into for this? i was hoping the prevent would work but when i was using it every day for about 3 weeks, i started to get some scabbing and cuts on my nips and they would basically only be different for the 2 or 3 hours after i put the prevent on (it makes them hard for that long)...so other than surgery is there anything else i should look into?
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Posted: Jun 26 2004, 04:29 PM
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Posted: Jun 27 2004, 08:38 PM
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I would pick up some E-Form and use it for the rest of the cycle.

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Posted: Jun 30 2004, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (shpongled @ Jun 27 2004, 08:38 PM)
I would pick up some E-Form and use it for the rest of the cycle.

can they both be used together? its too late now as my cycle is over and i'm PCTing on 6oxo and milk thistle

but for my next cycle...can 4derm and eform be used together? would this counter gyno even better than just 4derm?
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Posted: Jul 1 2004, 02:53 AM
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4Derm will not counter gyno. You can use the two together without any problems. If you are really concerned about gyno I would use 1 or Big 1 though.

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