home-mixed Creatine stack??? |
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| Posted by: Mike Ng Feb 23 2004, 11:40 AM |
| I loved the old Met-RX Cretaine AC and I'm planning on mixing my own... anything I'm forgetting or could benefit from adding to it? creatine 7g glutamine 5g ALA 300mg dextrose ??g taurine 2g also I'm trying to keep my sugar as low as possible so whats the least amount I could use and still be effictive? I've read as low as 18 grams, anyone have any innsight? many thanks. |
| Posted by: Loki Feb 23 2004, 12:25 PM |
| I think in terms of a cheap, effective, homebrewed creatine formula (sans the sugar) that would kick ass, you'd do well with: - Whatever form of Creatine 'floats your boat' - 1.5-2g Betaine - 100-200mg R-ALA - 2-3g L-Taurine - 1g Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate - Splenda/Sucralose (or Sugar-Free Koolaid/Lemonade powder) for taste Optional Additional Goodies: - 2-3g IP6 (Inositol Hexaphosphate) - 2-3g L-Histidine Cheers.  |
| Posted by: Max32 Feb 23 2004, 12:35 PM |
| I agree with Loki, but I would use Kre-alkalyn as the creatine component...It does not cause the bloat seen in some creatines (versions of monohydrate) and you do not need as high a dosage BSL has a good product called Kreataine Ultra for a reasonable price |
| Posted by: Mike Ng Feb 23 2004, 01:55 PM | ||
thanks for the responses guys... I took a look at the Kreataine Ultra, looks good. So I have the creatine, betaine and Insitol Hexaphosphate covered. I'll also add L-taurine. any suggestions on where to get or what brand of arginine alpha-ketoglutarate? and should i just skip adding the sugar? thanks again for the advice. |
| Posted by: prolangtum Feb 23 2004, 02:02 PM |
| BAC carries AKG by the gram, BSL has it by the kilo. As for the sugar it probaly isnt all too necassary, just put it into your PWO shake containing carbs, or add as little as 6-10g of EAAs to spike insulin |
| Posted by: Bachovas Feb 23 2004, 05:33 PM |
| Loki, something like that, to be taken twice a day? Maybe with breakfast and post-w? or pre and post, or post and before bed. Or maybe all of them  |
| Posted by: shpongled Feb 23 2004, 05:34 PM | ||
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| Posted by: shpongled Feb 23 2004, 05:35 PM | ||
Loki, what is the purpose of the betaine? Seeing as creatine reduces methyl demand to begin with |
| Posted by: shpongled Feb 23 2004, 05:38 PM | ||
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| Posted by: Max32 Feb 23 2004, 10:39 PM | ||||
in theory, yes....but in my real world experience and those of my former clients, the new creatines (titrated or kre-alkalyn) do not seem to produce the bloat in lower ab area, but still give the pump, even to a greater degree and the strength gains as well others may differ though, plus the alkalyn did not give me as much kidney pressure at the lower dosage versus old monohydrates (at least in my blood and urine analysis) |
| Posted by: Loki Feb 23 2004, 11:25 PM | ||||||
1. Compensates for the down-regulated natural synthesis of glycocyamine 2. It's a pretty friggin' potent osmolyte, other benefits notwithstanding... 3. Detoxifies the body from potential homocysteine buildup.
Pre & Post-Wkt. strikes me as ideal, but, eh, whatever floats your boat... |
| Posted by: Mike Ng Feb 26 2004, 01:28 PM |
| thanks again for the help... I think I've settled on trying out: Kreataine Ultra plus the following: 200mg R-ALA 2 g taurine 5 g glutamine added to my postworkout shake (45g protein, 25 carbs, 4g fat) shpongled, you said to ditch the glut, why? I thought it was long accepted that that was something that should be taken? Question for anyone regarding R-ALA, I do believe that it is an effective supp but I'm confused when it comes to understanding all aspects of it.... please try to keep it simple cause I'm in finance not biochem. I've read that 14 page post on bb.com as well as a few others and I can't fully wrap my hard around the studies/arguments.... A) One of it's functions is to maintain level blood sugar, correct? (which is why people would take it while dieting?) B) It's a insulin mimicker that helps transport 'additional' nutrients into the cell? (which is why you take it post workout in this type of stack?) Which of these is more prominent? How does this effect the desired post workout "insulin spike?" |
| Posted by: Mike Ng Feb 27 2004, 03:36 PM |
| lil help? bump |
| Posted by: shpongled Feb 28 2004, 12:48 AM |
| Regarding glutamine: See my article.... Regarding R-ALA: A. It will reduce blood sugar by increasing glucose uptake by various tissues B. It increases glucose transport to the cell.. I have yet to see evidence that this effect is specific to muscle. However, antioxidants, in general, can inhibit lipogenesis & increase skeletal muscle insulin sensitivity. R-ALA is used with the post-workout insulin spike b/c it will reduce oxidative stress to muscles, aiding in glucose uptake which will be very high during this period. However I question the benefit during other periods where muscle tissue isn't readily seeking out nutrients. |
| Posted by: Bachovas Apr 17 2004, 09:03 AM |
| Good info here. ^^ |