what is this stuff???

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Posted by: powderbird Apr 16 2006, 02:06 PM
[PRODUCT]2175[/PRODUCT] I am looking for an alternative to Androstenetrione Powder since it is out of stock, and 6-oxo is expensive. The chemical name of Topical ATD looks similar, but I can't find any info on it. Does anyone know what this stuff is really?

Posted by: ed72338 Apr 16 2006, 02:52 PM
Ooops not the same active ingredient. Obvioiusly you don't need 50mg of ATD a day either because of the topiacl delivery method. I wouldn't go above 25mg day with the topical and maybe 12-15mg is enough.

Posted by: bomb_r2 Apr 16 2006, 03:11 PM
depending on what your using it for....PCT or just to use it ...U can find a different supplier for the 6oxo powder ...I found a supplier who sells for 3 dollars a gram which is pretty cheap ...If for pct Use ATD w/7oxo and formestane

Posted by: powderbird Apr 16 2006, 04:37 PM
Is 50mg the amount that is the suggested serving?
For Androstenetrione Powder the dosing is 300-600mg. I was under the general impression that topical delivery cut the amount required to about half that of oral.

Posted by: Josh47933 Apr 16 2006, 07:35 PM
I was under the impression that ATD was the active ingredient in RXT and Novedex, etc. I thought 6-OXO was androstentrione, which was a different compound. Maybe I was off in my understanding of the two compounds.

Posted by: magoo202 Apr 16 2006, 08:55 PM
QUOTE (Josh47933 @ Apr 16 2006, 07:35 PM)
I was under the impression that ATD was the active ingredient in RXT and Novedex, etc. I thought 6-OXO was androstentrione, which was a different compound. Maybe I was off in my understanding of the two compounds.

You are correct. ATD and androstenetrione are different supplements, but they are both anti-estrogens.

Posted by: hrdgain81 Apr 17 2006, 08:33 AM
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Is 50mg the amount that is the suggested serving?


That amount would dry my joints out something aweful. i would start lower and work up if you need to. ATD is no joke, especially transdermal, use it wisely.

Posted by: powderbird Apr 17 2006, 11:53 AM
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ATD is no joke, especially transdermal, use it wisely.


Can this be used as a stand alone with tribulus as a natural stack as androstentrione can. Or is it some form of ph or ps which I don't want to get into. I am looking for a natural addition to tribulus and avena sativa, and I don't want to shut down my nuts with any ph.

So what is the deal with ATD?

Posted by: thesinner Apr 25 2006, 06:27 PM
ATD shuts down your estrogen. It's not gonna shink your nuts. In order to for that to happen, you would have to be taking something that behaves like test in order to start the negative-feedback loop. The neg-feedback loop is where your body stops making it's own test because it is getting more than enough from outside. You nuts shrink in such a circumstance because they stop producing test, and consequently stop producing sperm as well. Thus, smaller balls.


In a nutshell, you're balls will be fine. It's just really really potent stuff, especially taken transdermally. If you take too much, you'll totally screw up your hormonal balance. Having zero estrogen in you will only get you jacked into a hospital bed.

Cheaper alternative to 6-oxo, but you just gotta be careful not to take too much.

Posted by: BigusDickus Oct 10 2006, 09:57 AM
Topical ATD™ (1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione (3,17-keto-etiochol-triene))...since this suppresses estrogen production....does this in turn mean that libido is gonna tank as some estrogen is needed to wanna do the deed...if this is the case, how is it countered while using it???? Has anyone used it, for any length of time, with any results or complications....inquiring minds waan know....!!!