17-hd how safe is it and what are the side effects |
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| Posted by: Jordan65649 Apr 3 2006, 06:08 PM |
| [PRODUCT]2149[/PRODUCT] I recently started taking 17-hd and I notice if i dont eat anything i'll get real neasous feeling and like my heart is beating out of my chest. My questions are what are the side effects and how safe is it to take? I planned on maybe doin a cycle for maybe 3-4 weeks then off cycle take 6-oxo. Also I was told to take some pro liver supplement and something for cholestoral. Im new to all this im 170lbs and 6ft. Looking to get bigger and any help with this would be greatly appreciated. |
| Posted by: kimp Apr 3 2006, 08:38 PM |
| its a natural test booster that also gives an extra energy kick, that could be why u feel sick when you dont eat. nothing needed to take for 'off cycle', this product is not hormonal and doesnt need to be cycled for any reason other then not becoming immune to it |
| Posted by: Jordan65649 Apr 3 2006, 10:03 PM |
| Well is it normal to feel all jittery and neasous for hours? me and my friend felt the same way when we took it today. But for some reason the first time I took it I felt great. I had food in me. But maybe I need to eat more beforehand. |
| Posted by: Nicholas18644 Apr 4 2006, 05:21 AM |
| Sounds like blood sugar or central nervous system over stimulation. Fpot66 |
| Posted by: Eric73593 Apr 4 2006, 11:26 AM |
| I took a sample packet of 17HD and I felt slightly queesey but not too bad. So I bought a bottle of it because I did like the pumps I got from it. WELL I took a pill at 6:00PM by 6:19PM I could feel it. I started my work out at about 6:45PM and my heart was racing slightly nothing like how Stacker 3 (the original version) used to freak my heart out. But racing non the less. So each set took maybe an extra 30 seconds to a minute so I could breathe and slow my heart down slightly. Pumps were very good, consistant and I never felt tired. By 7PM I became increasingly nautious. Food and Tums didn't fix it. By 8PM I started to feel cold and clammy and couldn't stop shivering. By 9PM the shaking started to go away but I was still horribly nautious. I tried to fall asleep around midnight. It was almost impossible. I don't think I actually fell asleep until 3 or 4AM. I actually woke up at 7:20AM still jittery and still nautious and my face was VERY oiley. I went back to bed and woke up at noon still nautious slightly. So did it work and give me a better lifting experience? Well yea. But my body didn't like it. I'm going to try and take a 1/4th of a dose and see how I react and build it up from there. I don't typically react badly to stimulants. I take no-xplode and I don't feel any heart palpatations or racing when I take that. |
| Posted by: Jordan65649 Apr 9 2006, 08:49 PM |
| Well, after taking it a few more times I can now take it and just feel the good parts of it with none of the sides I mentioned before. good product. |
| Posted by: Eric73593 Apr 10 2006, 11:50 AM |
| I broke the tablets open and made myself 1/3rd doses to build a tolerence and it worked perfectly.<br><br>I'm not having any problems yet. Just to be careful I'm going to keep a 3 week cycle program. |
| Posted by: Brandon48172 Apr 10 2006, 11:55 AM |
| I take 1 capsule with 2scoops of No-explode and don't really feel like it is doing anything.... Thinking about taking 2 capsules next workout.... |
| Posted by: Jordan65649 Apr 22 2006, 04:17 PM |
| Would it be ok to drink while on 17-hd? I drank some last night and idk if it was the 17-hd or the drinks were really strong but I can normally hold my own and last night I couldnt. |
| Posted by: Stuch May 5 2006, 01:06 PM |
| I am currently taking 17-HD, and i love it, but i think most complaints come from people who are not serious or ready to take this type of supplement. I am 205 lbs, and i am sure if you are 150-170lber, than it is going to have a more dramatic effect on your body. Good pumps and good energy, and i always take mine in the morning with a small portion of food. I would not take this any later than lunch time, otherwise you may experience some sleeplessness. Does any know if this stuff would show on a drug test?? |
| Posted by: Dstack24 May 8 2006, 12:09 PM |
| A few of you guys are saying how this stuff is a stimulant, yet are also taking a vaso-diolator with it. That makes no sense. NO-XPLODE is NO2 and CEE and therefore is NOT a stimulant, that is why when you mix it with this stuff it produces nothing because the two compounds counteract each-other seeing that a stimulant is a vaso-constrictor. So i would not recommend taking this with a cell volumizer. And for the people who are getting sick on it if you weight only 170 you need to be going on stuff like volumizers and keeping your calories high. If you don't know how to eat right then you shouldn't be taking any of this stuff in the first place. |
| Posted by: kryznic May 22 2006, 11:41 AM |
| Is there caffeine in this stuff? I don't think there would be but just making sure. |
| Posted by: Succio Aug 31 2006, 08:13 PM | ||
you do know no xplode has caffeine right?... |
| Posted by: Jason42780 Sep 1 2006, 09:04 AM |
| This stuff sounds interesting....is it more of a Hydroxycut, Ripped Fuel type supplement? Or is more related to M1-test or 1-AD? I'm just curious...the first two have always givin me a jittery, low appetite reaction. Lots of energy in the gym and a hot, burning feeling when working out. But, the 1-AD and M1-test were the ones that helped drastically increase my pumps in the weightroom. Is this stuff a combination of the two? |
| Posted by: David998 Sep 1 2006, 11:26 AM |
| theres no caffiene in it nor should you take anything with caffiene in it as this wouldnt defeat the purpose |
| Posted by: Succio Sep 2 2006, 01:43 AM | ||
its a naturel test booster |
| Posted by: photrockprp Jan 10 2007, 12:02 PM |
| I have a question guys........I'm 49,....and am starting to lift...... been lifting on and off for about a year....... I dont produce test like you young bucks, so am thinking about 6-oxo...... is their any risk of prostate cancer? havent been able to find any info.........thanks for the help! |
| Posted by: photrockprp Jan 10 2007, 12:04 PM |
| scratch that last, I meant 17 hd,....any risk of prostate cancer? |
| Posted by: Stephe131206 Jan 10 2007, 12:31 PM |
| wow theres no risk for prostate cancer with this crap. 17-HD is just a bunch of herbs meant to help give you a energy kick and boost test. The only known side effect is increased blood pressure. So congrats on everyone who purchased this stuff in a store because you just threw 80 bucks at someone for some herbs! |
| Posted by: Arnoldfan Jan 10 2007, 06:21 PM |
| caffeine is a vaso dialator and it works awesome with NO stimulators, kinda why they put it in alot of the stacks. Caffeine competes with calcium at a cellular level with creatine (which is why they don't workwell together). However some types of creatine (CEE) work great in conjunction with caffeine. ephedra, and other mau haung extracts act as vaso constrictors-- as do anything that significantly raises epinephrine(sp) and nor epinephrine(sp).... you now speed, crystal meth. timing is important when using creatine and caffeine together, if you do it right you get the best of both worlds. caffeine has MANY health benifits |
| Posted by: Arnoldfan Jan 10 2007, 06:31 PM |
| actually yes. If you are genetically prone to prostate CA you should talk to a doc about raising your test levels via anti estrogens. DHT is the big one when it comes to prostate problems but any male horomone elevation puts you at greater risk. little known fact.... 80% of men die with prostate CA, benign but still there. Most men will develope prostate enlargement due to this later in life-- it's really no big deal, it's only dangerous if it is malignant and proliferates into your rectum, in which case you're fucked. I worked in a MRI department that did cutting edge endorectal prostate imaging. Cancerous prostate cells are very common in men over 50. If you want to boost test and are worried about your prostate you can have an MRI done or spectroscopy to look for acetacholine concentrations in the prostate which is a sign of cancer (i think it's acetacholine).... always the good old digital exam;) |
| Posted by: Nathan1 Jan 10 2007, 09:57 PM |
| for crying out loud...people are still using 17-HD? doesn't anyone know how to research anymore?? i give up. |
| Posted by: urbski Jan 30 2007, 05:37 AM |
| Whats up guys.. I just landed on this site after doing some research on 17-HD, so I am new to this Forum. Anyways, I was thinking of taking some of the 17 Hydroxy Mesterone from IDS Sports which is almost the same exact thing as vytoech's 17-HD. My buddy tried these and said he felt that he got more cut up after just a week, taking one pill 30min pre-w/o. But after researching on here I'm guessing that most of you guys think this supp is not worth the money.. so I was just wondering why not? Its proven to give out results to most people that try it so why is this a bad supp? Also, I read that if you combine the 17-HD with NO-xplode pre/wo that they will basically cross eachother out and will be pointless.. is this really true? I was under the impression that it would give me a pretty powerful workout combining both of them.. |
| Posted by: sam143337 Apr 3 2007, 07:28 PM |
| I found that I was jitter if I didn't drink enough water while taking 17-HD. Also, after a week of taking it, I can't tell if I'm jitter, just so long as I eat my post-workout meal within two hours, otherwise I'll start to feel sick, but over-all I love this drug for the pumps I get and I haven't stopped using it since I have started on it. |
| Posted by: Big_Ben Apr 4 2007, 12:11 PM | ||
You're an idiot, its not just herbs. |
| Posted by: Nathan1 Apr 12 2007, 11:43 PM |
| 17-HD IS CRAP. It has this name, meant to lure little kids into trying it. you will see no test increase, if anything, the product has potential to have estrogenic effects. Stop buying into hype and start researching things and/or listening to people who know what they're talking about. |
| Posted by: Cecilchristmas May 13 2007, 03:05 PM |
| I had heard nothing but really good things about 17-hd so I started taking it. I'm on my third day not and I am really bummed because I notice NO difference other than if I take it at night time I won't be able to sleep for HOURS. Is this normal? Most of my friends tell me that it turns them into animals when they work out. |
| Posted by: Travis117775 May 14 2007, 08:11 PM |
| *17-halo-methyl-dianadrone contains: smilax (root) 1,3,7-trimethylpurine-2, 6-dione hydrate (CAFFEINE), pueraria lobata, amylum (fruit), colx (seed), poria cocos (root), cassia (seed), lotus (leaf), cumquat (fruit), waterplantain rhizome (stem), mulberry (leaf), methionine this info is located directly under the supplement facts on the bottle. So there ya go, caffeine. I dont intend to bash 17-hd, since I'm taking it myself and like it. Goes good with plasmavol preworkout |
| Posted by: James228407 Feb 20 2008, 08:06 PM |
| I'm 17 turning 18 in july, 5'11 and about 145lbs. i recently started a weight training class in school and love it, ive also been working out outside of school everyday for a couple hours. i started taking creatine monohydrate and have been liking the results. i purchased 17HD recently and have taken it twice now along with the creatine. i can already see results and my performance in the gym amazing. i love this stuff but i wanted to know if there are any ricks of taking this at my age and if taking it with creatine is alright. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Feb 21 2008, 03:58 PM | ||
5 11 and 145 lbs? return ur 17hd and buy all the weight gainers |
| Posted by: Doogsy Feb 21 2008, 06:33 PM | ||||
 "Herbs" |
| Posted by: James228407 Feb 21 2008, 09:30 PM |
| what are some products that are good for weight gaining? |
| Posted by: yeashescool Feb 21 2008, 10:40 PM | ||
food |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Feb 21 2008, 10:43 PM | ||
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| Posted by: DownTown Feb 21 2008, 11:12 PM |
| ya, if you actually do a little home work 17 HD will temporarily spike test lvls for an hours or so but it WILL boost you estrogen levels. The herbals in it give you the feel good,pump, buzz what ever you wanna call it but keep taking it for a while and you will start to bloat and develop some orang otang tits. One of are motor T guys lactates now, and thats the only supp hes taken before, besides protien. I know the guy who works at are gnc and he has gotten several complaints about the product causing gyno and breast fluid. it may be taken out of that particular store. |
| Posted by: Big_Ben Feb 25 2008, 03:02 PM | ||
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| Posted by: James228407 Feb 25 2008, 10:55 PM | ||
where you gettin your facts from? show me proof |
| Posted by: yeashescool Feb 26 2008, 12:02 PM | ||||
personal.......cheese dick |
| Posted by: 145mma Dec 13 2008, 10:22 AM |
| To every one who has any doubts about 17 HD. I cage fight at 145 pounds and I use 17 HD when about a two months out before a fight. I also it stacked with N.O. Vapor. It helps me get in great shape. Before I took it I was 5' 9" and weighed 135 pounds. After my second cycle (I take one month on and one off) I went from benching 225 to 315 and cut water weight to weigh 145 pounds. It works great for me. You just have to be serious when you take it eat right and workout 5 days a week (the right way). Like I said i weigh 145 to 155 and bench 315 decline 425 curl 45 at sets of 10. I will continue to use it and credit all my gains with it. |
| Posted by: shane81488 Feb 3 2009, 03:05 AM | ||
Most vaso-dilators that work via nitric oxide supplementation do contain caffeine. Some, like NO Xplode and Black Powder contain unhealthy and dangerous amounts of caffeine at the maximum dose, while others just contain small amounts. Caffeine is a vaso-constrictor, however it is not nearly a potent enough constrictor to counter-act the effects of the supplement. The neurological and psychological effects of caffeine alone are usually enough in most people to counteract most of the constricting effects caffeine possesses (I am of course talking about the effects on stamina and power) and therefore when a vaso-dilator is also added, the effects will still be very beneficial. This would be a great stack with a non-caffeinated volumizer, as the stimulant effects of both this and something like NO-Xplode would be too much. Next time, before you post a message with high and mighty, and arrogant undertones, please make sure you know what you're talking about. Better luck next time bro. |