actually yes. If you are genetically prone to prostate CA you should talk to a doc about raising your test levels via anti estrogens. DHT is the big one when it comes to prostate problems but any male horomone elevation puts you at greater risk.

little known fact.... 80% of men die with prostate CA, benign but still there. Most men will develope prostate enlargement due to this later in life-- it's really no big deal, it's only dangerous if it is malignant and proliferates into your rectum, in which case you're fucked.

I worked in a MRI department that did cutting edge endorectal prostate imaging. Cancerous prostate cells are very common in men over 50. If you want to boost test and are worried about your prostate you can have an MRI done or spectroscopy to look for acetacholine concentrations in the prostate which is a sign of cancer (i think it's acetacholine).... always the good old digital exam;)

for crying out loud...people are still using 17-HD?

doesn't anyone know how to research anymore??

i give up.

Whats up guys.. I just landed on this site after doing some research on 17-HD, so I am new to this Forum. Anyways, I was thinking of taking some of the 17 Hydroxy Mesterone from IDS Sports which is almost the same exact thing as vytoech's 17-HD. My buddy tried these and said he felt that he got more cut up after just a week, taking one pill 30min pre-w/o.
But after researching on here I'm guessing that most of you guys think this supp is not worth the money.. so I was just wondering why not? Its proven to give out results to most people that try it so why is this a bad supp?
Also, I read that if you combine the 17-HD with NO-xplode pre/wo that they will basically cross eachother out and will be pointless.. is this really true? I was under the impression that it would give me a pretty powerful workout combining both of them..

I found that I was jitter if I didn't drink enough water while taking 17-HD. Also, after a week of taking it, I can't tell if I'm jitter, just so long as I eat my post-workout meal within two hours, otherwise I'll start to feel sick, but over-all I love this drug for the pumps I get and I haven't stopped using it since I have started on it. (IMG:http://forums.bulknutrition.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

17-HD IS CRAP.

It has this name, meant to lure little kids into trying it. you will see no test increase, if anything, the product has potential to have estrogenic effects.

Stop buying into hype and start researching things and/or listening to people who know what they're talking about.

I had heard nothing but really good things about 17-hd so I started taking it. I'm on my third day not and I am really bummed because I notice NO difference other than if I take it at night time I won't be able to sleep for HOURS.

Is this normal? Most of my friends tell me that it turns them into animals when they work out.

*17-halo-methyl-dianadrone contains: smilax (root) 1,3,7-trimethylpurine-2, 6-dione hydrate (CAFFEINE), pueraria lobata, amylum (fruit), colx (seed), poria cocos (root), cassia (seed), lotus (leaf), cumquat (fruit), waterplantain rhizome (stem), mulberry (leaf), methionine


this info is located directly under the supplement facts on the bottle. So there ya go, caffeine. I dont intend to bash 17-hd, since I'm taking it myself and like it. Goes good with plasmavol preworkout

I'm 17 turning 18 in july, 5'11 and about 145lbs. i recently started a weight training class in school and love it, ive also been working out outside of school everyday for a couple hours. i started taking creatine monohydrate and have been liking the results. i purchased 17HD recently and have taken it twice now along with the creatine. i can already see results and my performance in the gym amazing. i love this stuff but i wanted to know if there are any ricks of taking this at my age and if taking it with creatine is alright.

what are some products that are good for weight gaining?

ya, if you actually do a little home work 17 HD will temporarily spike test lvls for an hours or so but it WILL boost you estrogen levels. The herbals in it give you the feel good,pump, buzz what ever you wanna call it but keep taking it for a while and you will start to bloat and develop some orang otang tits. One of are motor T guys lactates now, and thats the only supp hes taken before, besides protien. I know the guy who works at are gnc and he has gotten several complaints about the product causing gyno and breast fluid. it may be taken out of that particular store.