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 17-hd how safe is it and what are the side effects |  |
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 actually yes. If you are genetically prone to prostate CA you should talk to a doc about raising your test levels via anti estrogens. DHT is the big one when it comes to prostate problems but any male horomone elevation puts you at greater risk. little known fact.... 80% of men die with prostate CA, benign but still there. Most men will develope prostate enlargement due to this later in life-- it's really no big deal, it's only dangerous if it is malignant and proliferates into your rectum, in which case you're fucked. I worked in a MRI department that did cutting edge endorectal prostate imaging. Cancerous prostate cells are very common in men over 50. If you want to boost test and are worried about your prostate you can have an MRI done or spectroscopy to look for acetacholine concentrations in the prostate which is a sign of cancer (i think it's acetacholine).... always the good old digital exam;)
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for crying out loud...people are still using 17-HD? doesn't anyone know how to research anymore?? i give up. Nathan1_TL@hotmail.com
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Whats up guys.. I just landed on this site after doing some research on 17-HD, so I am new to this Forum. Anyways, I was thinking of taking some of the 17 Hydroxy Mesterone from IDS Sports which is almost the same exact thing as vytoech's 17-HD. My buddy tried these and said he felt that he got more cut up after just a week, taking one pill 30min pre-w/o. But after researching on here I'm guessing that most of you guys think this supp is not worth the money.. so I was just wondering why not? Its proven to give out results to most people that try it so why is this a bad supp? Also, I read that if you combine the 17-HD with NO-xplode pre/wo that they will basically cross eachother out and will be pointless.. is this really true? I was under the impression that it would give me a pretty powerful workout combining both of them..
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I found that I was jitter if I didn't drink enough water while taking 17-HD. Also, after a week of taking it, I can't tell if I'm jitter, just so long as I eat my post-workout meal within two hours, otherwise I'll start to feel sick, but over-all I love this drug for the pumps I get and I haven't stopped using it since I have started on it. (IMG: http://forums.bulknutrition.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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17-HD IS CRAP. It has this name, meant to lure little kids into trying it. you will see no test increase, if anything, the product has potential to have estrogenic effects. Stop buying into hype and start researching things and/or listening to people who know what they're talking about.
Nathan1_TL@hotmail.com
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I had heard nothing but really good things about 17-hd so I started taking it. I'm on my third day not and I am really bummed because I notice NO difference other than if I take it at night time I won't be able to sleep for HOURS. Is this normal? Most of my friends tell me that it turns them into animals when they work out.
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*17-halo-methyl-dianadrone contains: smilax (root) 1,3,7-trimethylpurine-2, 6-dione hydrate ( CAFFEINE), pueraria lobata, amylum (fruit), colx (seed), poria cocos (root), cassia (seed), lotus (leaf), cumquat (fruit), waterplantain rhizome (stem), mulberry (leaf), methioninethis info is located directly under the supplement facts on the bottle. So there ya go, caffeine. I dont intend to bash 17-hd, since I'm taking it myself and like it. Goes good with plasmavol preworkout 
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I'm 17 turning 18 in july, 5'11 and about 145lbs. i recently started a weight training class in school and love it, ive also been working out outside of school everyday for a couple hours. i started taking creatine monohydrate and have been liking the results. i purchased 17HD recently and have taken it twice now along with the creatine. i can already see results and my performance in the gym amazing. i love this stuff but i wanted to know if there are any ricks of taking this at my age and if taking it with creatine is alright.
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To every one who has any doubts about 17 HD. I cage fight at 145 pounds and I use 17 HD when about a two months out before a fight. I also it stacked with N.O. Vapor. It helps me get in great shape. Before I took it I was 5' 9" and weighed 135 pounds. After my second cycle (I take one month on and one off) I went from benching 225 to 315 and cut water weight to weigh 145 pounds. It works great for me. You just have to be serious when you take it eat right and workout 5 days a week (the right way). Like I said i weigh 145 to 155 and bench 315 decline 425 curl 45 at sets of 10. I will continue to use it and credit all my gains with it.
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| QUOTE (Dstack24 @ May 8 2006, 11:09 AM) | | A few of you guys are saying how this stuff is a stimulant, yet are also taking a vaso-diolator with it. That makes no sense. NO-XPLODE is NO2 and CEE and therefore is NOT a stimulant, that is why when you mix it with this stuff it produces nothing because the two compounds counteract each-other seeing that a stimulant is a vaso-constrictor. So i would not recommend taking this with a cell volumizer. And for the people who are getting sick on it if you weight only 170 you need to be going on stuff like volumizers and keeping your calories high. If you don't know how to eat right then you shouldn't be taking any of this stuff in the first place. |
Most vaso-dilators that work via nitric oxide supplementation do contain caffeine. Some, like NO Xplode and Black Powder contain unhealthy and dangerous amounts of caffeine at the maximum dose, while others just contain small amounts. Caffeine is a vaso-constrictor, however it is not nearly a potent enough constrictor to counter-act the effects of the supplement. The neurological and psychological effects of caffeine alone are usually enough in most people to counteract most of the constricting effects caffeine possesses (I am of course talking about the effects on stamina and power) and therefore when a vaso-dilator is also added, the effects will still be very beneficial. This would be a great stack with a non-caffeinated volumizer, as the stimulant effects of both this and something like NO-Xplode would be too much. Next time, before you post a message with high and mighty, and arrogant undertones, please make sure you know what you're talking about. Better luck next time bro.
5'9" 173 lbs
Dumbell press: 120s x 4
Side Lat Raise: 50s x 4
Squat Press: 315 x 6
Biceps: 110 x 6
Deadlift: 315 x 5
Upright Row: 155 x 4
Standing Arnold Press: 50s x 6
I was lying in bed last night, looking up at the stars, and I wondered... Where the fuck is my roof?
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