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Posted: Aug 17 2006, 07:29 PM
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Would you need to cycle Fish Oil pills?
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Posted: Aug 17 2006, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (gabe522k3 @ Aug 17 2006, 07:29 PM)
Would you need to cycle Fish Oil pills?

nope.
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Posted: Sep 21 2006, 08:37 AM
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So after time your body basically becomes immune to Creatine and you dont get any more gains? How long does that take?
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Posted: Oct 9 2006, 10:50 AM
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Just want to clarify: loading CEE is NOT necessary, correct? Just received 100gms of it and I haven't really read much info on it, but it would make sense that loading is uneccesary d/t quick bioabsorption rate.
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Posted: Nov 26 2006, 11:40 AM
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What's up fellow gym rats ?just bought xmass ,tren,peramax.What's the best way stack ? ph34r.gif
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Posted: Nov 28 2006, 05:46 PM
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Xtend does not need to be cycled, it is simply amino acids.
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Posted: Jan 10 2007, 06:17 AM
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QUOTE (alecto42c @ Nov 28 2006, 05:46 PM)
Xtend does not need to be cycled, it is simply amino acids.

agreed but its a little to expensive for me to put make it a staple supplement

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Posted: Jan 15 2007, 03:52 PM
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Good thread!! I learned something.

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Posted: Jan 30 2007, 05:54 PM
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good advice dr x
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Posted: Jan 30 2007, 06:02 PM
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i need some advice, i was think of takin green bulge, white blood, and a pre workout supp. i was also thinkin bout takin some kre-alkalyn
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Posted: Feb 13 2007, 09:29 PM
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in MRI´s webpage they say that you dont need to cycle off CE2. is that true?
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Posted: Apr 7 2007, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (calotono @ Feb 13 2007, 09:29 PM)
in MRI´s webpage they say that you dont need to cycle off CE2. is that true?

probably not...they just want you to take their stuff forever... wink.gif

ive never heard of ANYTHING thats a supp with significant effects (other than like luecine and stuff) that u dont cycle...even arginine needs to be cycled.


and on mri's page they say it takes 40 days to see small results...phoeey on cee i gained an inch on my arms in 28 friggin days

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Posted: May 24 2007, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE (DR X @ Mar 23 2006, 11:38 PM)
20 grams for one month straight divided into four 5 gram doses while taking 2 weeks off in between cycles.
10 grams after working out every day for 6 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off.
5 grams after working out every day for 8 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off.

"In one study, a maintenance dose (3 g/day) took thirty days to maximize creatine stores. On the other hand, a loading dose (20 g/day) maximized muscle creatine levels in only two days. Normal maintenance doses fall in the 3-5 g range (2 g has been found to be insufficient), although some take as much as 10 g, while 20-30 g (usually 20 g) is used for loading. Some sources recommend a loading phase of 6-7 days, but this appears to be unnecessary. Given that stores are maximized after two days of loading, 2-3 days should be sufficient. One study indicated that resistance training athletes can utilize around 50 mg/kg daily of creatine. A maintenance dose of 5-10 g daily is recommended to ensure that enough is being taken. Taking more than this for maintenance is generally a waste of creatine."
http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=4959


ok so i've never taken creatine, but im willing to give it a go
so would it be good if i did something like this:

Loading Phase for 3 days: 20g/day [half preworkout, half postworkout]
Maintenance Phase for rest of month: 5g/day
2 weeks off
6 weeks of 10g/day [half preworkout, half postworkout]
2 weeks off
8 weeks of 5g/day [half pre w, half post w]
...etc
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Posted: May 24 2007, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE (DR X @ Mar 23 2006, 11:38 PM)
If you have taken creatine, ephedra, or any other supplement non-stop for the past year or so, raise your hand? If you're a serious lifter and you're not raising your hand, then you shame on you. Most serious lifters believe that when they are "off" of supplements that their physiques will literally go down the drain. I firmly believe this because I have encountered many serious lifters who believed that supplements could make or break their physiques.

At one point in time, I was one of these believers. However, I have realized the error of my ways and turned to cycling my supplements. Before I give you examples of supplement cycling, I would like to address a very important biological point. Without getting scientific, the human body is a fascinating piece of biological machinery. It is smart. Smarter than we choose to believe. When our bodies are exposed to exogenous substances such as supplements, alcohol, drugs, etc, it builds a tolerance. This tolerance requires us to consume more and more of the product in order to get the desired effect.

This characteristic stems from receptor attenuation. You see, our body is full of receptors which have the ability to bind to specific receptor agonists and antagonists. Receptor agonists activate the receptors while antagonists do the exact opposite. So the more receptors you flood over the time, the more they become desensitized. This can lead to receptor burnout which can cause a myriad problems. So basically, abuse of a substance is a no-no.


-Cycling Creatine-

Creatine is one of the most popular sports supplements in the industry today. Why? Because it works. I've read countless articles which suggests creatine's effectiveness and not one which suggests that creatine is detrimental to the human body. However, all of the articles I have read involve the use of 20 grams of creatine utilizing a one month on, X amount of time off system. So the subjects all took 20 grams of creatine in divided doses throughout the day for an entire month and then took some time off. The time varied from study to study but for the sake of receptor attenuation, I would take at least 2 weeks off. If you've ever tried creatine, then you will know how quickly you can make gains when you first introduce it to your system.

However, these gains began to diminish over time because your body simply got accustomed to the creatine. Now if you would "cycle" creatine, so to speak, then theoretically, you could make gains similar to the ones you made when you initially began creatine intake. There are numerous ways to cycle creatine and I will suggest a few ways which were successful for me in the past.

20 grams for one month straight divided into four 5 gram doses while taking 2 weeks off in between cycles.
10 grams after working out every day for 6 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off.
5 grams after working out every day for 8 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off.
Now you may cycle your creatine differently and if this different method works for you, then stick with it until it stops working. Remember that I am merely sharing with you some of my successful cycles with creatine.

-Cycling Thermogenics-

Now here is a supplement which I have abused for the past two years and I'm not even sure why. At first, it was for its proposed fat burning properties but later, it became apparent I was using it just to feel normal, whatever that was. The first time I took a thermogenic, I remember feeling this alertness which I have never felt before. What an amazing supplement, or so I thought at the time. If you don't know, thermogenics drain the adrenal glands. The more you use it, the more burned out your adrenals become. It's as simple as that. Now if you're wondering if your adrenals are burned out, there is an easy way to find out. If you get headaches and feel extremely lethargic when you're not taking thermogenics, then your adrenals are burned out. What you have to do now is to assist your adrenals in recovery by eliminating all stimulants from your supplement stack. This includes ephedra, caffeine, etc. Now you should take a lot of Vitamin B5 and siberian ginseng. The first few days are always the hardest because you will feel the urge to take thermogenics but you must resist. Do this for a few weeks to repair your adrenals so that the next time you get on thermogenics, you can maximize your gains.

In order to keep your receptors from desensitizing, you need to cycle thermogenics. I have been very bad with cycling thermogenics since I've incorporated them into my supplement stack but I will tell you that it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the best way to take stimulants is to do sporadically. Here is an effective way to take any thermogenic and to keep your adrenals from burning out.

1. 2-4 thermogenic tabs on training days for 4-6 weeks and then take 2 weeks off from all stimulants.

-Supplements Which Do Not Need Cycling-

Protein, fortunately for bodybuilders, is one of those things which doesn't need to be cycled. You can consume protein to your liking but experts suggest anywhere from 1-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight in order to maximize muscle gains. I try to consume about 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight because the latter is difficult to do if you want to have something of a life outside of training and eating.

Glutamine, the most abundant free form amino acid in the body, is another supplement which doesn't need cycling. Glutamine, whether you choose to believe it or not, is extremely important. If you don't believe me, then read some literature on glutamine because I don't want to sit here and walk you through its many uses.

Multivitamins and antioxidants also fall into this category. If you aren't taking one, you should and you should do it all of the time. Most of us can't get enough of the vitamins and minerals just from the foods we eat and a supplement is the best way to overcome this. There are a few other supplements which I believe do not need to be cycled but these three are the most important. Taking these three year round can only benefit you.

-Cycling Supplements-

All supplements, just like creatine and thermogenics, should be cycled because of receptor attenuation. If you aren't cycling your supplements, then maybe it's time you thought about what you're doing to your body. Remember, it's better to train and supplement smart than to do it blindly. Train hard, train smart, think BIG!

100%whey protein gold standart how many servings I need per day ?, I want to cut the fat and gain muscle , I weight 223 pounds I want to lost like 40 pounds the protein will help ?
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Posted: May 27 2007, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE (reammecln @ May 24 2007, 01:32 AM)
QUOTE (DR X @ Mar 23 2006, 11:38 PM)
20 grams for one month straight divided into four 5 gram doses while taking 2 weeks off in between cycles.
10 grams after working out every day for 6 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off.
5 grams after working out every day for 8 weeks and then taking 2 weeks off.

"In one study, a maintenance dose (3 g/day) took thirty days to maximize creatine stores. On the other hand, a loading dose (20 g/day) maximized muscle creatine levels in only two days. Normal maintenance doses fall in the 3-5 g range (2 g has been found to be insufficient), although some take as much as 10 g, while 20-30 g (usually 20 g) is used for loading. Some sources recommend a loading phase of 6-7 days, but this appears to be unnecessary. Given that stores are maximized after two days of loading, 2-3 days should be sufficient. One study indicated that resistance training athletes can utilize around 50 mg/kg daily of creatine. A maintenance dose of 5-10 g daily is recommended to ensure that enough is being taken. Taking more than this for maintenance is generally a waste of creatine."
http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=4959


ok so i've never taken creatine, but im willing to give it a go
so would it be good if i did something like this:

Loading Phase for 3 days: 20g/day [half preworkout, half postworkout]
Maintenance Phase for rest of month: 5g/day
2 weeks off
6 weeks of 10g/day [half preworkout, half postworkout]
2 weeks off
8 weeks of 5g/day [half pre w, half post w]
...etc

seriously tho, is that good?
i wanna start today or tomorrow

-thx
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Posted: May 29 2007, 04:54 AM
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Hello all.... im a new member here, ad i need ur help guys, im 30 years old, my weight is 154 lb ( 70 kg ) and im tall 76.5" (195 cm), so im so skinny (IMG:http://forums.bulknutrition.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) , i wanna go to the gym by the first of june , and i wanna buy the following suplements to start with :

- Nitric boost ( optimum ).
- Serious mass 6 lb ( optimum).
- 100% Whey Protein - Gold Standard( optimum ).
- Creatine 2500, 200 Capsules ( optimum ) which better caps or powder.

So is it a good cycle from me as a beginner, or do i have to wait for a while and then start this cycle or any suggested cycle.

thanks
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Posted: Aug 13 2007, 12:09 AM
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creatine cycle helped me. thanks
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Posted: Aug 30 2007, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE (fluke @ May 24 2007, 02:52 PM)
QUOTE (DR X @ Mar 23 2006, 11:38 PM)
If you have taken creatine, ephedra, or any other supplement non-stop for the past year or so, raise your hand? If you're a serious lifter and you're not raising your hand, then you shame on you. 


What a minute....I'm still confused about the first sentence in this article...

So if I haven't used Creatine non stop for a year and cycled it like a good little boy, shame on me?!!!!!!!


I've re-read that, and still don't get it. So you say you should be taking it year round then you say you should cycle it....WTF?!!!

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Posted: Aug 30 2007, 02:05 PM
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If you have taken creatine, ephedra, or any other supplement non-stop for the past year or so, raise your hand? If you're a serious lifter and you're not raising your hand, then you shame on you. 



LOL, no he's saying bull Sh** ur a liar bc we serious lifters have all remained on supps for more than a year straight without cycling.

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I am trying to gain weight and mass but I have never been able to do so. I am 5'9" 145lb.s. Could you give a suggestion on which supplements to start with and what else would be a good idea.

Body weight 145lbs
I can rip to 125 really easy looks kind of sickly though!
Height 5'9"
bench 315
squat 410
dead lift 290
Biggest wants.
I want to get up to 165 and bench 450+ and look it
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