Superdrol for Dummies |
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| Posted by: krzna Dec 27 2005, 08:50 PM |
| I have compiled a few commonly asked questions new users ask before getting into superdrol . Please note that this thread is by no means makes you completely knowledgeable. I am not a guru on superdrol so please do not take this as the beacon of knowledge. I am 18, I have had 4 years plus lifting experience, I feel I’ve reached a plateau and want to use superdrol: I’ve heard this question over and over and would to prevent all those below 21 who want to use superdrol, or any other ph under the age of 21. This is basically inhibiting your body’s natural production of testosterone. Between the ages of 18 thorough 21, males experience the highest test production. If you feel you want to supplement, I would strongly suggest you look for Test boosters, like tribulus and 6oxo. Please note that this has nothing to do with your lack of so called maturity or the feeling that youngsters are careless. This is scientific and numerous studies have been performed in this regard. I have just got my superdrol , how do I use it? The safest way to use superdrol is to keep the dosage low. All over the boards you can find people using superdrol up to high doses of 40mg. I would suggest the following cycle. Week 1 – 10mg Week 2 – 20mg Week 3 - 20mg I would personally never recommend over 20mg. 3 week cycles are proven to be safe and effective. What times of the day do I take superdrol? SD has a low shelf life, around 6-10 hours therefore make sure you plan your intake every 6-8 hours. Different people have different opinions to this question. From what I've seen, the over all consensus is to take the first dose in the morning with an empty stomach with loads of water. The next with your preworkout meal with good fats like EFA's , Flax and fish oils, peanut butter. Superdrol takes a heavy toll on your lipid profile. A carb and fat rich meal would somehow help a little bit here. This is my opinion, others differ with it. Preworkout superdrol gives awesome pumps during the workout/weight training routine. Does superdrol require a PCT? Like every ph on the block SD needs a PCT. Give me a sample superdrol PCT. wk1: 40mg Nolva, 600 6oxo, 3 fenugreek caps, DHEA 200mg wk2: 40mg Nolva, 600 6oxo, 4 fenugreek caps, DHEA 200mg wk4: 20mg Nolva, 300 6oxo, 5 fenugreek caps, DHEA 100mg wk3: 10mg Nolva, 300 6oxo, 6 fenugreek caps, DHEA 100mg Is 6oxo and Rebound XT good enough by itself for a superdrol PCT, most people say it is enough No! By no means is 6oxo or Rebound standalone strong enough to restart the test production in your body. You need a SERM! Period! Nolvadex is therefore ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for an superdrolcycle. Please note its Nolvadex not novedex or nolvedex. Please look for Tamoxifen Citrate. If budget permits you can also look into NAC. Does running milk thistle along side superdrol inhibit gains. No, silymarin does not inhibit any gains and does not have any chemical significance. It is purely for the liver. Its effect however is best in the preload and pct. What are other good supplements I can run along side superdrol to combat side effects? Red Yeast Rice- A fermented rice product, that is our best fighter against negative sides form AAS concerning cardiovascular damage. Comprised of nine different monacolins, which are naturally occurring substances that help regulate cholesterol levels. Along with sterols, and monounsaturated fatty acids, it packs a strong punch. Dosage : 1.2g ED COQ10- Although this is abundant in food sources, I feel it prudent to put on here. Not only does it show to help cardiac function, but it’s also imperative to be used with Red Yeast Rice. Can be used in combination with other cholesterol lowering supplements. Celery Seed- A powerful anti-oxidant, shown to not only lower blood pressure, but may have cancer fighting properties as well. And there is evidence to show its ability in aiding the liver. Hawthorne Berry: Also very useful to lower BP and keep it on check. A great on cycle supplement. Dosage 1000mg ed on cycle. Policosanol- A blend of fatty alcohol’s, shows great promise in its use as beneficial to cardiovascular health, to include the maintenance of healthy lipid profiles. There is also some theory to a synergistic affect with EFA’s. Dosage : 20mg 2x a day Saw Palmetto: The prostrate is one delicate part of your system that you do not want to affect under any circumstances. SP @ 320mg/day Primaforce ProLiver or Liv52. These supplements are very necessary ON cycle as well as in the PCT. I took superdrol, its 2 weeks up, I still don’t see any change. Why? Well, its not superdrol’s fault, there is some mistake on your part. SD will not work if your lipid profile is all haywire. Most people underestimate the simple dictum of eating heavy and eating right. Please make sure that your calorics are adjusted to your body weight and height. I do not need to comment on your nutrition, but make sure that you take in 1.7-2g of Protein /lb of body weight.Roughly around week 2.5 through 4 you should start gains of 1lb/day. Make sure your carbs and EFA’s are at a maximum You need to drink @ least 1.5 gallons of water while on superdrol. My cycle is over, I have to keep my gains, how do I do it. If you want to keep your gains, make sure you take nolvadex. You will lose a little bloat/size due to water retention. Its good to take creatine and nitrous based compounds or cell volumisers at this point to keep your gains. I have not used CEE, but am looking to do so in the near future. I had a very satisfying cycle, my pct made me recover fine, I want to get back into another cycle. Well,this is something I've seen in many people, the temptation to use m1t and superdrol. Sure it does give good results, but you've gotta understand that you have a life apart from bbing. Imho make sure you give a full two month gap between cycles. After all you've got just one liver to use for a lifetime. I do not know where to get the necessary supplements/ chems for my PCT. Please do not ask on the forums for sources. I will try to help you through secure mail or pm’s. READ! Most experienced users in their logs mention the brands of nolva they use, if some just had the sense to google them…………… What are the important things I should know about Research Chemicals? 15.2 grams of Tamoxifen Citrate equal 10mg of Tamoxifen (nolvadex) If a research Liquid manufactuer were unaware of this, and they suspend 10mg of Tamoxifen Citrate in 1 ml of solution and claimed a dosage of 10mg of Tamoxifen/ml then it would be underdosed to the tabs. Of course if they claimed 10mg of Tamoxifen and added 15.2 grams of Tamoxifen citrate then they would be giving the correct dose of then 10mg of Tamox/ml relative to the tabs. If they say 10mg of Tamoxifen citrate there not lying about the dose, it's jus not as much as the 10mg tabs of nolvadex. NOLVADEX_ (tamoxifen citrate) Tablets, a nonsteroidal antiestrogen, are for oral administration. NOLVADEX Tablets are available as: 10 mg Tablets. Each tablet contains 15.2 mg of tamoxifen citrate which is equivalent to 10 mg of tamoxifen. 20 mg Tablets. Each tablet contains 30.4 mg of tamoxifen citrate which is equivalent to 20 mg of tamoxifen. So whatz the math? 0.5ml= 7mg tamoxifen 1.0ml=14mg 1.5ml=21mg 2.0ml=28mg 2.5ml=35mg 3.0ml=42mg 3.5ml=49mg 4.0ml=56mg 4.5ml=63mg 5.0ml=70mg I am not a doctor and neither do my opinions construe medical advice. These are just my views after using and researching about this product and answering a number of queries from users who were as confused as me when I first started it. The superdrol checklist : Superdrol 10/20/20 RYR 1.2g ed Milkthistle 1000mg Hawthorne Berry 1000mg CoQ10 Policosinol- 20mg 2x ed PCT: SERM :Nolvadex 40/30/20/10 AI :R-Xt or 6oxo Prostrate:Saw Palmetto 325mg DHEA 200/200/100/100 Fenugreek Clomid (optional) RYR 1.2g ed Milkthistle 1000mg Hawthorne Berry 1000mg CoQ10 Policosinol- 20mg 2x ed |
| Posted by: Nabil54069 Dec 27 2005, 10:09 PM | ||
You know that was not so bad advice and information. I also like your creative sales pitch by sneaking in your statement. You lost all credibility there. Solicitating people for questionable, illegal or illicit substances in against board rules, which Im sure you already know from getting banned elsewhere. Just for your info: http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?showtopic=5337 |
| Posted by: C-Los 21 Dec 27 2005, 10:37 PM |
| There you have it, by popular demand.....Superdrol for dummies. Thanks Krzna! |
| Posted by: krzna Dec 27 2005, 11:51 PM | ||||
i lost credibility...lol, anything else? |
| Posted by: NikZ Dec 28 2005, 12:54 AM | ||||||
krzna!!! glad to see ya around. i'm not sure why people are so down on you and CLos. oh well......keep up the good work! |
| Posted by: C-Los 21 Dec 28 2005, 12:56 AM | ||
Yeah, so far there has been two members that fit into that category  .....but it doesn't compare to the large number of members (like you) that support us!Thanks! |
| Posted by: smoothlove Dec 28 2005, 02:57 AM |
BULLSHIT! 6oxo should be fine Mr. man....  NO you dont NEED SERMs! BULLSHIT! I Dont care which board you came from, or what your avatar says.... Ya wanna me talk to your boss? C-Los? Or do ya have one anymore? Please dont tell these dumb asses to do reasearch chems.....Alot of them are fu#ked up enough. "HO I didnt say that! "I said....(there ya have it!)  Read closely Kids: REASEARCH DRUGS ARE NOT SAFE! ESP. UNDERGROUND things.(where you might get nolva...) P.S. Those same reasearch labs will have them shooting unsafe reasearch hormones in there ass next week. Hello FDA! Or in your words ( There ya have it!!!!!) Sorta like sayin " SUPERDROL is strong shit .... cant do legal shit as pct!"  Bullshit!YES: coppied and printed. sir. Just in case ya wanna edit. Alot of these dumb fu%ks dont do it cause they cant get it. Dont lead them to the abcess from hell please ,.... I like some of them....... so please go to the illicit froum sir..... |
| Posted by: msharpie Dec 28 2005, 10:02 AM |
| I agree with smoothlove(to an extent) in the fact that most of the research chems may not be the safest route. I know they legally must say "not for human use", but how do you know what you are getting is safe. I see krzna's point about nolva being needed to jumpstart your test again, but the sad fact is that most of us don't like buying "grey market items". SD is legal for human consumption(as for legality, no problem yet), these research chems aren't. Another issue is finding quality stuff(one reason i'll never use roids). For all those fortunate enough to have quality suppliers, good for you. |
| Posted by: krzna Dec 28 2005, 11:20 AM |
6oxo is good enough eh.... rite on , thx for ur valuable input  I'll make sure to update my records. |
| Posted by: krzna Dec 28 2005, 11:30 AM | ||
abcess from hell ? u mean to say u think research chems are injectable? ... u stupid retard! they are oral, get u r friggin info right. u wanna challenge me to a thread with some htpa restoration statisics with blood work start another thread. I'll show you 6oxo is not enough. Hey even 3 OHAT/ATD is not enough. Watch before you post. Dont make a fool out of yourself. Peace. |
| Posted by: krzna Dec 28 2005, 11:33 AM | ||
Also FYI , it is copied and pasted..... cuz I wrote the original too , incase you have problems understanding that please contact your learning disability counsellor. thankyou. |
| Posted by: DR X Dec 28 2005, 11:38 AM |
| Milkthistle is not only for pre loading and PCT but a must on cycle. 1500mg ed Howthorne Berry should be started 1 month pre cycle if you want the full benefit. 2g ed. Red Yeast Rice in my opinion is a waste of time since it’s hard on the liver and lowers CQ10 in your body hence why it’s added in along with milk thistle. I don’t need the extra stress. Saw palmetto you should consider taking 1000-1500 ed. Especially if you are prone to Male Pattern Baldness. Although Nolva is not mandatory on this cycle I like the PCT you lined up. Biggest mistake people make on PCT is to change their diet. Do not change your diet. Keep the calories up so you can keep the gains. |
| Posted by: trouble Dec 28 2005, 11:52 AM |
tamoxifen is nonsteroidal?? bullshit..oh yeah, just like Rebound! Herbal, right?I love that term "research chemicals". |
| Posted by: krzna Dec 28 2005, 08:19 PM | ||
ohhh please ... Tamoxifen Citrate Tablets, a nonsterodial antiestrogen, are for oral administration and contain 15.2 mg of Tamoxifen Citrate (equivalent to 10 mg of tamoxifen). In addition, each tablet contains as inactive ingredients: carboxymethylcellulose calcium, magnesium stearate, mannitol and starch. Chemically, Tamoxifen Citrate is the trans-isomer of a triphenylethylene derivative. The chemical name is (Z)2-[4-(1,2-diphenyl-1-butenyl) phenoxy]-N, N-dimethylethanamine 2- hydorxy-1,2,3-propanetricarboxylate (1:1). The structural and empirical formulas are: Tamoxifen Citrate has a molecular weight of 563.62 the pKa' is 8.85, the equilibrium solubility in water at 37oC is 0.5 mg/mL and in 0.02 N HCl at 37oC, it is 0.2 mg/mL. |
| Posted by: NikZ Dec 28 2005, 10:09 PM |
wow...  Dr. X and krzna....good info guys. thanx. 6oxo enough? LMAO!! note: if you don't know where to get tamox and KNOW that it is 100% legit, you shouldn't be doing the PCT with tamox....and that's a risk YOU'll take....i'll use my tamox(if i do a cycle)....and i'll use it confidently as i will KNOW it is legit.  |
| Posted by: smoothlove Dec 29 2005, 11:07 PM | ||||
Duh shit.... I was talkin bout what they would find there....  You know, where you were sendin them.... Dont talk to me like a newb.....Fu*k boy. |
| Posted by: C-Los 21 Dec 29 2005, 11:11 PM | ||||||
Don't act like one.  Treat others like you would want to be treated.....since you came onto this thread you have said absolutely nothing constructive(positive). I will not respond to anymore childish acts. |
| Posted by: smoothlove Dec 29 2005, 11:20 PM |
| Sir, I have a masters in science..... How bout you? Your just a rep... A nobody... so go jurk off... Mr. G.E.D. if ya got that.... Dont gotta know shit to do a comercial! Who are you boy?????? nobody..... just a nobody........ |
| Posted by: smoothlove Dec 29 2005, 11:37 PM | ||||||||
enjoy the unemployed!!!!! |
| Posted by: C-Los 21 Dec 29 2005, 11:42 PM | ||
^^^^ |
| Posted by: smoothlove Dec 29 2005, 11:52 PM |
| Sorry but you ARE a nobody.... What ya gonna sell next month? You dont care bout these kids........ I See you tell em take all these meths... Your a unemployed pice o-shit.... A NOBODY...... Get a job..... |
| Posted by: DR X Dec 29 2005, 11:59 PM |
| Please keep it civil. |
| Posted by: smoothlove Dec 30 2005, 12:05 AM |
| Sorry good Dr..... It just sorta pumps me up... I know the chem behind it..... Why ya wanna do that? Im sorry Mr man.......Thses are my kids.... |
| Posted by: DR X Dec 30 2005, 12:12 AM | ||
I hear ya. It's cool. We just need to make our point without the insults. thanks for your support. |
| Posted by: smoothlove Dec 30 2005, 12:27 AM |
| Most soory Sir.... I still think that AI is O.K. even better....... Just my .02 |
| Posted by: C-Los 21 Dec 30 2005, 01:15 AM | ||||
I strongly agree and encourage it....insults were the only thing bothering me. Thanks for stopping by Dr X! |
| Posted by: Martin34617 Dec 30 2005, 03:48 AM |
| You all got a point. I would also keep my hands of research chemicals, I dunno how it is in the states but here (in SA) we can get pharam grade tamoxifen c and clomiphene c. If you dont have access or cant afford it, stay away from all PH/PS/AAS. Even those old and now banned PH messed up the estradiol/estrogen profile from which one could get gyno and for that you need some anti-e's that really work. I dare the guys to take some of the legal anti-e's on the market to suppress gyno on a test cycle. I wouldnt take the chance. Maybe they work, maybe they dont, but for gyno-sensitive people like me, the legal stuff (which by the way costs as much as pharms grade stuff) was just never an option ... Peace ... and chill out people.  |
| Posted by: NikZ Dec 31 2005, 01:54 PM | ||
any opinion you just gave...i think everyone's heard at some point or another, and i'll speak for myself....i don't care. as far as any info you gave.....we know.....or you're wrong. you sound like a crazed lunatik. |
| Posted by: NikZ Dec 31 2005, 02:00 PM | ||||||
stop.......breathe.........and attempt to answer the following question for me in plain ENGLISH...... are you or are you NOT saying that you think what these "kids" will find at research sites for PCT are injectible?? i know you've been around for awhile, but you sure are sounding like a newbie, maybe i am just misunderstanding because you are from a foreign country. |
| Posted by: C-Los 21 Jan 8 2006, 12:35 AM | ||||||||
BN is OUT of PP and not much can be said about SD. Use your products wisely and effectively! |
| Posted by: smoothlove Jan 8 2006, 02:44 AM | ||||||||
What Im tryn to say is ( You cannot trust alot of the sh*t you get from "research" labs and alot of these sites also sell gear that cannot be trusted.) If they send you anything at all. If you were to use dirty gear you will get a bad abcess. If you were to constitute your gear from powder with a dirty kit you will get an abcess. ect, ect. My take home point is that you cannot trust many of the "research" labs out there and finding the nolva doesnt mean you get nolva at all , It could be cat piss that your drinkin or birthcontrol your popin. And the Test that they think they were buying and pinnin may also be counterfit cat piss. I dont trust internet web sites who sell perscription drugs with out a perscription as a rule of thumb even for "research". Now a nice clean place like Eagle (ahmmm, ahmmm, cough) would be O.K. Now I still believe that an A.L. would be fine pct after SD. and that a SERM is not a must have. Different strokes for different folks. |
| Posted by: C-Los 21 Jan 13 2006, 09:01 PM |
| TTT.....to the 13 SD threads on page 1!!! |
| Posted by: SkinnyKid07 Feb 19 2006, 01:11 AM |
| if you cut out all the bullshit insulting, you can actually find some good info in this thread! thanks dr x and krzna. i know i didnt get anything out of "mr. master's degree" except a few laughs. thanks to the rest though! Krzna, perhaps you could provide some stacking information along with this? Its a great beginning thread, but not comprehensive. Not for me..ive done my research..just for quick reference in the future. just an idea! take care all. |
| Posted by: SkinnyKid07 Feb 19 2006, 01:14 AM | ||
dude wtf. you hate on them for posting sources or pointing people in their direction and look what you are doing! youre a freakin hypocrite...can someone please edit that post?!!? |
| Posted by: C-Los 21 Feb 19 2006, 08:59 PM | ||
You would like a thread that shows what and how you could stack AX products, is this correct? Thanks for the compliments. |
| Posted by: SkinnyKid07 Feb 19 2006, 10:38 PM |
| haha not exactly...i said comprehensive. i plan on doing a 4 or 6 week cycle of 1-test/4-AD frontloaded with 3 weeks of SD at 10-20-20. Others I know have done 1-test/SD or just 4-AD/SD. And then there are also your PP/SD stacks and whatnot..i mean just to give people an idea of what stacking certain things with it will do if they have other stuff they would like to use as well. I'm not sure if the original Superdrol writeup discusses this...guess i could look. but no...im not a brand-specific consumer, although I do have one bottle of AX's drol. |
| Posted by: C-Los 21 Feb 20 2006, 07:43 PM | ||
I only ask because we have this http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?showtopic=24166&hl= |