sorry but this is a really crappy attitude

I think it is a very good attitude. How many businesses have you run Nemesis? Oh I forgot, you can't even make your own mind up to eat an apple or not

You are weird. Sometimes I really want to find out where you live and sit out on your lawn eating a pallet of canned tuna

At least you didn't get your laughter deleted yesterday by the mods. I can't believe they deleted my post that only said:

"ROFL "

Really, that's all that was in the post! Go figure.

It's like the mods are going around saying

"No laughing! Hey you LAUGHTER PROHIBITED"!

I know X-factor is more proven for building mass, but honestly I've found it's effects for cutting far superior to my previous 9 years of using fish oil for this purpose.

Actually during periods of dieting (combined with weight training) is when I think you are most suspectible for depleting yourself of AA and you definitely need this essential fatty acid.

As far as other supplements go there are lots I don't like or think are worth the money, but this one definitely has it's place. It's just too "CORE" to so many of our goals as bodybuilders to dismiss.

Could you cry about it some more? I had no idea or proof that this went on, so refrain from dubbing your question on the "mods".

Thanks

There is a study on Elite wrestlers showing BCAAs effective http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...9905&query_hl=5 although the dose was very high. I remember at the time I pulled the actual article thinking to myself I'd need something like 50-60 grams per day. At the time I was about 220 lbs so by my recollection the dose must have been .6 grams per kilogram.

Anyway, back then 6 years ago there really wasn't any affordable BCAA supplement out there so I gave up on the idea. Still this would be quite expensive to do even today.

BTW, If anyone is worried about BCAA degradation I'd think twice about using PPAR alpha agonists like high dose fish oil http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...434&query_hl=22 because they increase liver degradation of BCAA.

Personally, I think an EAA product (flavored nicely like Xtend) would be worthwhile for cutting and general use mainly because it would reduce the acid load your body has to deal with. Actually that's how I think EAA supplements work as far as how they reduce total body breakdown.

that is interesting

Why do you disparage X-factor when it is a product you sell? I thought you prided yourself in being a business man first. It seems like bad business to talk negatively about your own inventory.

X-Factor is proven anecdotally to be highly effective at building muscle and strength as well as cutting fat in the great majority of cases (most instances of non-responders can be traced to improper diet, supplementation, and/or medications). But I understand anecdotal evidence is hardly even a sliver of the pie that is real proof. Well, I think supplementation requires an anthropological perspective seeing as how the body is not a system that can be fully understood by segregating its components. With that said, the studies on AA can, when taken as a whole, be understood to show how AA is an effective and safe supplement (dosages as high as 1.7 grams per day have been proven safe... that's 700mg more than X-Factor uses).

But instead of arguing, I would rather put X-Factor on the chopping block. If it is okay, I would like to give a full cycle of X-Factor to some reputable members of this board and have them do a log of their experience. If this is not a problem, I can start it up next month. What do you say?

Yes there are contraindications, but the two biggest ones in my opinion (Flax and NSAIDs) are just a matter of common sense.

1. Zealous use of flax causes oxidation and AA is an oxidizable fatty acid.

2. NSAIDS block the release of PGF 2 alpha from muscle cells.


Other contraindications are a matter of perspective and I'm too new of a rep to have had a chance to discuss this with Bill so I can't comment.