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Posted: May 20 2004, 10:23 PM
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Hey All,

I'm about to start my first cycle of Prohormones and want to make sure I have everything correct.

-age = 26
-weight = 240
-estimated BF% = ??
-androgen history = None
-goals = To gain muscle and strength


Weeks 1-4

Weeks 5-8 (PCT)
  • Week 1 - 6-0X0 at 600mg/day, Week 2 - 6-0X0 at 400mg/day, Week 3 - 6-0X0 at 400mg/day, Week 4 - 6-0X0 at 200mg/day
  • Milk Thistle at 350mg/day
  • Protein/Creatine/Glutamine
  • B-5 Powder at 5g/day

Thank's in advance for your help.
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Posted: May 21 2004, 06:42 PM
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What help do you need? Everything looks perfect.

I would tweak the B5 dosing though. Heres a good protocol for it:

Week 1 10 Grams a day
Week 2 10 Grams a day
Week 3 10 Grams a day
Week 4 10 Grams a day
Week 5 10 Grams a day
Week 6 10 Grams a day
Week 7 8 Grams a day
Week 8 8 Grams a day
Week 9 6 Grams a day
Week 10 6 Grams a day
Week 11 4 Grams a day
Week 12 4 Grams a day
2 grams a day thereafter


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Posted: May 21 2004, 10:03 PM
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Thanks for the advice on the B-5 Chris, I will follow this dosing you suggested.
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Posted: Oct 29 2004, 03:23 PM
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sorry for the newbee question but . what the diff btw 1-AD and 4-AD.

it is all androst......diol .

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Posted: Oct 29 2004, 06:34 PM
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1-AD converts to 1-testosterone. 4-AD actually converts into testosterone and has a small conversion to estrogen.

And with that B5 dosing, it seems somewhat overkill. Really, dose according to the amount of acne you encounter. 10g/day is gonna give you the runs pretty bad, I know 2g at once does the same for me.
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Posted: Jul 7 2006, 01:30 PM
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That looks expensive. You could probably use half the amount in a TD and save half for another cycle later on.

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Posted: Jul 7 2006, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE (David19562 @ Oct 29 2004, 06:34 PM)
1-AD converts to 1-testosterone. 4-AD actually converts into testosterone and has a small conversion to estrogen.

Almost. From what I understand: 4-AD (-diol) CANNOT directly aromatize to estrogen. But, it does convert to testosterone, which in turn aromatizes to estrogen.

From the 4-AD article...

"4-androstenediol (4-AD) is an effective prohormone to testosterone. Naturally found in several tissues of the body, 4-AD is converted to testosterone via the enzyme 3beta-HSD. 4-AD converts to testosterone at a significantly higher rate than other commercially available prohormones (such as androstenedione), and also does not have the weakness of conversion to estrogen and/or DHT prior to conversion to testosterone. This makes 4-AD the best testosterone prohormone on the market."

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Posted: Jul 12 2006, 02:04 PM
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Yeah, that does seem like a lot of 4-AD. Being that you can't easily find it anymore and the risks of buying even if you could, I'd be conserving it by doing a transdermal as the other guy said.

Just buy a Dermabolics transport matrix in the 8 oz. size and add the appropriate amount of 4-AD powder and you'll have enough for a few cycles if you follow the dosage recommended on the old 4derm bottles.

That was 5 sprays for 200 mg. of 4-AD. If you dosed it 2x per day, 12 hrs apart, as the bottle recommended, you could make you supply last quite a while, if you have as much as you seem to, with your proposed dosage.

Whenever I ran 1-AD, i stuck to the 300 mg. per day that the label recommended. That was pretty effective w/ the 4-AD, so I don't know if I'd want to triple up on that dosage, unless I had lots of ph experience.
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Posted: Jul 12 2006, 02:57 PM
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What is the Best 4-AD product?
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Posted: Jul 12 2006, 03:21 PM
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Guys..the thread is two years old. I doubt very much they will heed your advice to run a trasdermal.

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It doesn't matter unless you live in Europe.

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Posted: Jul 12 2006, 03:54 PM
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Still could be useful info for anyone that might have stocked up.
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Posted: Jul 13 2006, 01:52 AM
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QUOTE (Nicholas18644 @ Jul 12 2006, 03:21 PM)
Guys..the thread is two years old. I doubt very much they will heed your advice to run a trasdermal.

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What is the Best 4-AD product?


It doesn't matter unless you live in Europe.

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For those of you that do live in Europe, .......

The best 4AD product is any one that you can still buy! (and I believe that they do still exist!)

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Posted: Jul 13 2006, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE (Nicholas18644 @ Jul 12 2006, 03:21 PM)
Guys..the thread is two years old. I doubt very much they will heed your advice to run a trasdermal.

aahaahha...never even noticed that.

oh well, the other guy is right...useful info for anyone who might have or is planning his purchase wink.gif

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