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| Posted by: kimp Nov 1 2005, 03:21 PM |
| X-Factor Date Added: Monday 31 October, 2005 Manufacturer: Molecular Nutrition Price: $48.99 i thought that someone (mike? dont remember exactly who) said he would not sell this because of past beef with bill? why the change? also what is it you think of this product? did you add it thinking it was decent? let me know your thoughts..... |
| Posted by: eatdirt40 Nov 1 2005, 03:24 PM |
| Ive read many reviews and i would def. try it. But not at that price. Maybe if lots of generics come out, and it drops to maybe $25-30, id consider using it. |
| Posted by: rich_55 Nov 1 2005, 03:45 PM |
| Yeah, that is what I heard him post too??? I just couldn't imagine cutting out all my good fats. That just does not seem right. Tell me if I'm wrong. |
| Posted by: msharpie Nov 1 2005, 03:46 PM |
| yeah i recall reading that post. Guess eventually it comes down to what your customer wants. |
| Posted by: CDONDICI Nov 1 2005, 06:54 PM |
| It is probably not worth the price, and also I think I read somwhere that it can cause cancer(not sure on that one). |
| Posted by: kimp Nov 1 2005, 10:54 PM | ||
doesnt everything cause cancer though? |
| Posted by: bomb_r2 Nov 1 2005, 10:58 PM |
| everything has the ability to cause cancer If ya pinch a ladies tit boom it may cause cancer If ya stand in front of a microwave while using it boom causes cancer ...We need to stop this huge cancer scare and fucking come up with a herpe scale If u touch a public toilet seat with ur hand or ass u may get herpes  |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Nov 2 2005, 01:42 PM |
| X-factor actually looks pretty promising - as long as you don't ingest it indefinitely. |
| Posted by: msharpie Nov 2 2005, 03:26 PM |
| I've read some over on AM about it. I've read some post that suggest it would be a good stacking option with sd and also using it pct to maintain(if not increase) gains. |
| Posted by: Patuba Nov 2 2005, 05:32 PM |
| I've used X-factor and it works very well. Yes you need to limit your EFAs and lessen the use of anti-inflamitories if you use them. It is safe to use. Is very effective with proper diet. If you have any questions about X-factor and I'll answer all that I can. |
| Posted by: whatastud08 Nov 2 2005, 08:31 PM | ||
what were your gains like and how long did you run x-factor for? Also what kind of training program were you running? |
| Posted by: Patuba Nov 2 2005, 08:42 PM |
| X-factor is normally taken for a 50 day cycle followed by 50 days off cycle. I under-estimated how effective X-factor is and didn't eat enough calories and protein and actually lost 8lbs of fat during the 50 days. My training was nothing special. I train 5 days a week. I usually do 4 sets for 8 reps per exercise for core muscles and 3 sets for 8 reps on secondary muscles. About 3-4 different exercises per muscle group. |
| Posted by: Pxboarder Nov 2 2005, 09:49 PM |
| what were your strenth gains like for the major lifts ....bench press, squat, dead, and shoulder press. |
| Posted by: CDONDICI Nov 3 2005, 12:22 AM | ||||
Im sure one cycle will not hurt you, but cancer is not something to f around with |
| Posted by: Patuba Nov 3 2005, 11:53 AM | ||
I had a modest strength increase which is good for me. When I usually drop bodyweight I loose a ton of strength. To actually have a modest strength increase while dropping weight was a big thing to me. It really showed how effective X-factor can be. |
| Posted by: rich_55 Nov 3 2005, 10:08 PM |
| I still find it difficult to imagine cutting back my efa's to use this product efficiently. Tell me what you did? That basically means no added good fats only food from dietary sources such as dairy and meat. |
| Posted by: trouble Nov 4 2005, 03:41 AM |
| So what exactly is this compounds/formulation? If prostanoids interfere with it....let me guess, its fricking arachadonic acid. And no, Roj, everything does NOT cause cancer. But some poorly thought out stacks certainly bend probability towards unhappy outcomes. I wonder what the lipid peroxidation and liver chemistry profiles look like for users of this product...hmmm. <this sent me on a search for more information on the action of AA, beyond the first of my two additional posts in this thread> The second one has the important benefit with recent citation to support my rethinking on the potential use of this supplement.> Thats why I went back and edited this post, too! |
| Posted by: Patuba Nov 4 2005, 12:29 PM | ||
You don't have to cut all out but limit the amount you consume. I was consuming 2 servings of natural Peanut Butter a day which I quit while taking X-factor and stopped eating nuts which I just ate occasionally. You can still consume some EFA but only consume a limited amount. |
| Posted by: CDONDICI Nov 4 2005, 01:35 PM | ||
Trouble I assume you do not recommend AA? |
| Posted by: trouble Nov 4 2005, 03:15 PM |
| Not so much that I'm against it, its just such a dang important system control regulator, in both body tissue and in brain. Now, you go take a look at these articles. I'm not going to paste em in here, cause they're long and involved discussion of what will appear to be arcane and confusing activities. Point is, you're fiddling with a whole complex set of controls in the brain in particular, when you use this compounds, cause its stores - says that somewhere in the middle of the first article. It gets released under certain sets of signals. Key here is to note that cells clamp down, regulate the release of this arachidonic acid - cause its such an important trigger for so many different and highly important processes. Thats a big switch your're thowing, when you load up brain cells and other tissues with this compound. General actions: http://www.arthritis.co.za/arachid.html http://www-ermm.cbcu.cam.ac.uk/03005854h.htm Actions in the brain: http://www.acnp.org/g4/GN401000059/CH059.html This article discussed how AA acts on Leydig cells in testes, acting to regulate LH action - note that it decreases test production. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8735605&dopt=Abstract AA is intrinsic to lipid metabolism: http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/mwking/lipid-synthesis.html And you'll see that the HETE metabolites play an important role in steroidigensis in adrenals, sex organs and act as neurohormone regulators in brain. http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/content/abstract/125/1/89 http://content.febsjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/269/22/5599 This article states explicitly that the action of AA is much more complex than previously thought (2005 pub): http://mend.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/19/11/2647 (see also the discussion of AA action in brain, above, and in LH regulation, above) http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/1/6/349 AA plays an important role in immune system function and the inflammatory response: http://www.australianprescriber.com/magazines/vol22no3/leukotrienes.htm I am not so much against use of AA as an supplement, as I am stressing extreme caution in its use. It has many positive and beneficial roles in the body..but in excess, may have an equally weighty role in the perturbation of control systems with negative consequences. As in all supplements, know what you're taking, use prudence and moderation in use. |
| Posted by: Patuba Nov 4 2005, 03:41 PM |
| As far as I know the only side-effects reported with X-factor, besides muscle soreness, is Insomnia in a few, I mean very, very few people. 50 days it the recommended duration for a cycle of X-factor and there is no reason to go above the recommneded dose. |
| Posted by: Patuba Nov 4 2005, 03:42 PM |
| I forgot to add. Those were some good articles, thanks for posting them! |
| Posted by: trouble Nov 4 2005, 04:55 PM |
| I went back to my previous post and added a few more citations. Moreover, I found yet another article that explains why endogenous AA actually increases adrenal steroidogenesis. This would be the primary beneficial mode of action of AA. http://jme.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/content/abstract/34/3/655 (June 2005 publication). <Dang, the control mechanisms are quite involved and complicated.> Note to readers: Dissatisfied with the previous citations, I went on a hunt to find an article that explained the potential beneficial effects of exogenous arachidonic acid. It is clear that it promotes the production of steroids and ACTH from the HPA axis. It has beneficial effects as second messenger and receptor modulator in brain. I am NOT dissing this supplement, simply providing a cautious look at both sides of the coin in its use. You still need to cycle it because it is easily stored in brain and other tissues, meaning its effects will far outlive the duration of intake. This promotion of steroidigensis MAY be one of the reasons that BigMike decided to take a second look at AA as product. |
| Posted by: zomzom Nov 7 2005, 12:44 PM |
| Héhé X FACTOR is in Promotion ROFL. |
| Posted by: Patuba Nov 7 2005, 12:48 PM |
| It is a good product. My guess is people have been asking him to sell it. It sells well with other vendors. |
| Posted by: Sal86971 Nov 8 2005, 05:19 AM | ||
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| Posted by: Patuba Nov 8 2005, 01:20 PM |
| No, it's not hormonal at all. It's fatty acids. The only side effect I noticed is a had an nagging injury that became somewhat irritated will taking it since it's an inflamitory. Nothing too bad though. |
| Posted by: Sal86971 Nov 8 2005, 02:42 PM | ||
Oh thats wild. you got strength some size from a fatty acid? I am considering this product it sounds good. Just for one "cycle" not more than that. It seems to have some warnings that go with it which is why I thought it might have been some type hormone. Thanks Sal |
| Posted by: Patuba Nov 8 2005, 02:46 PM |
| Nope, it's not hormonal. Which leads to a great thing about this product. THERE IS NO PCT NEEDED WITH X-FACTOR!!!! Just keeping with your diet and intensity is all you need. No PCT supplement or anything else is needed at the end of the cycle. |
| Posted by: trouble Nov 8 2005, 02:48 PM | ||
The link in my post above is a citation for a recent technical publication: An arachidonic acid-preferring acyl-CoA synthetase is a hormone-dependent and obligatory protein in the signal transduction pathway of steroidogenic hormones Correct, in itself it is not a hormone, but it plays an important role in hormone induction, above and beyond its other role as a fatty acid precursor in the prostanoid synthesis. That was the WHOLE point in my lengthy posts above. To point out the myriad roles this very important compound plays in both brain and body tissues system regulation. |
| Posted by: Aeternitatis Nov 28 2005, 06:11 PM | ||
Yeah, this is turning out ot be a big contributor in X-Factor's success. But there is a lot to it. The actions of AA in regards to local muscle repair are very diverse, and include: - Increasing the density of androgen receptors/local T sensitivity (PG's) - Upregulating local insulin sensitivity (PGE2) - Upregulating local NO production, which aids satellite cell activation via increasing levels of Hepatocyte growth factor (PGE2) - Upregulating local IGF-1 receptor expression (PGF2a) - Upregulating expression or sensitivity to other growth factors like TNF, FGF, IL's, (various) I think in many cases, supplementing AA is more appropriate than supplementing omega 3's like fish/flax; especially in this bodybuilding world that seems to be DRENCHED in fish oil. I think a lot of people's performance and health is actually being hindered by too much omega 3. Also, AA is a lot safer than the general quick Google search would have most people think (assuming of course you're a healthy athlete... I would not recommend large dose AA to non-athletes). |
| Posted by: Saber41194 Nov 28 2005, 07:13 PM |
| do Upregulating IGF receptor means: 1)it can reduce 2)it can increase => In the 1 case this will sucks causing no growth ??? => Why using a such new molecule that we doesn't even understand every mechanisms ??? => Is arachidoic acid a natural ocuring fatty acids ??? => Does it cary nootropics action over the brain ??? =>increasing Test receptors even in the prostat and hairs ??? (hear loos and early prostat) I think X-Factor it is a good ideas after long A.S cycle along with PCT .right ? |
| Posted by: Ed88630 Dec 3 2005, 08:24 PM |
| hmmmm this is a very interesting product I may consider taking it once I research and get more feedback from users. But it looks very promising. |
| Posted by: Steven Tecson Dec 4 2005, 11:14 AM | ||||
Think the write-up itself said it wasn't hormonal. |
| Posted by: hlanderr Feb 27 2006, 04:25 PM |
| Would this be effective to use between PH cycles? I plan on running SD in a few months, and it sounds a bit interesting to try until then... Or is it too much, since it recommends that off time... |