J1Q's -- S1+/Superdrol Log |
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| Posted by: J1Q Oct 10 2005, 09:39 AM |
| Stats: Male 27 y.o Height 5'11 Weight 188lbs BF% 13% L Bi - 14 1/2 Flexed - 15 3/4 R Bi - 14 3/8 Flexed - 15 7/8 Chest - 42 1/2 Waist - 35 L Quad - 21 1/4 Flexed - 22 R Quad - 21 1/2 Flexed - 21 7/8 L Calf - 15 R Calf - 14 7/8 I will be running 4 weeks of S1+, 5 Sprays/2x day. I will be dosing the Superdrol at 10/10/20/20. I will be running Hawthorn Berry and Milk Thistle through the course of my cycle as well. I will be monitoring my blood pressure daily through the course of the Superdrol. I will be taking around 1500mg of Milk Thistle and around 2000mg of Hawthorn Berry & i will also be taking Garlic Extract. PCT will consist of 6-oxo and i will also be running Fenugreek as well. My diet will consist of around 4700-500 calories. 375 grams protein, 500-600 Carbs & 100-100 grams Fat. I will post my daily nutritional intake as well. I'm looking very forward to this Cycle. My last Superdrol Cycle i had to end early, so i am hoping this cycle is alot better. I will try to update and keep this log updated daily. My goals are to put on some descent size. If i keep 10lbs after PCT is run, i will be very happy. |
| Posted by: Benderzzz Oct 10 2005, 10:39 AM |
| sounds interesting good luck |
| Posted by: tricky73 Oct 10 2005, 12:07 PM |
| good luck dude. |
| Posted by: GuardDog Oct 10 2005, 12:38 PM |
| Just curious, how are you going to keep the s1+ from getting in contact with your youngins' ? What areas are you going to be applying it to keep it sealed, are you going to be using latex gloves, etc... |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 10 2005, 02:05 PM |
| Hey GD, i will be trying to keep most of my sprays on my quads and calves. This should keep it out of reach with the kiddos. As far as the latex i'm not using any gloves. Honestly, i just don't see a need. Once i rub it on, i wash my hands. I didn't have any trouble with this last time i used it. |
| Posted by: Christoph22123 Oct 10 2005, 02:19 PM |
| Honestly, I do not think you need it what ever happened to the test. How big do u want to get, what are your goals? Are your lifitng for athletics, health, or do u want to be huge like your women? I ask because decent size as u know can be done with proper diet and training, in the end after it's all done they will be equal, add ass and that's different. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 10 2005, 02:27 PM |
| Hey Christoph. The test is stashed away in a closet waiting until i call upon it. I had ALOT of powders just sitting around, so i figured i would use it up before the test. Honestly, i have a few more size goals i would like to reach. So, i guess you could say i am lifting to get just a little bigger. I will still stay very athletic as it is simply apart of me. Mmmmmm yes, Huge like my women,  . Well, maybe not quite that big, but i would like to add some more size. Diet and Training is KEY, i will never argue that. I just figured since i had these i would use them up. |
| Posted by: hrdgain81 Oct 10 2005, 03:21 PM |
| looks pretty good J, just wondering why you arent starting the SD either before, or at the same time as the S1+. IMO it would be best that way so the two week "kick in" period for the s1+ wont be a problem. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 10 2005, 04:20 PM |
| Hey hardgain, you think something like 10/10/20/20 on the SD? |
| Posted by: Gary46080 Oct 10 2005, 04:59 PM | ||
I agree with hrdgain81, run the SD right through for 4 weeks. 10/10/20/20 would be fine. The S1+ alone will make you feel like an animal, adding SD to that will definately make you exceed your goal of 10lbs after PCT. I sure hope it goes better than your last SD cycle, just remember not to call it quits once one little thing goes wrong, stick with it buddy. |
| Posted by: GuardDog Oct 10 2005, 06:20 PM |
Tthanks. Just thought I would check.  I would run it all the way through too. ahhheemmmm.....cough cough ahhheeemmmmm. |
| Posted by: NikZ Oct 10 2005, 06:21 PM |
| forgive my ignorance on the issue of S1+, but what exactly is it? i know it was pre-ban, and i actually became interested in all of this stuff post-ban. i have learned/been learning about many products out now(SD, DMT, etc. etc) but haven't read much good info on S1+. perhaps someone could sum it up for me, while i also search. good luck with the cycle! |
| Posted by: DR X Oct 10 2005, 06:26 PM | ||
Yes, SD for the full 4 weeks. You will put on more than 10 im sure. He just wants to get Xed. |
| Posted by: Nabil54069 Oct 10 2005, 07:45 PM | ||
You sick GD? Sounds like you got a nasty cold.  You should take care of youself |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 10 2005, 08:07 PM |
| Day 1 Alright, it's monday evening and i just popped my first 10mg Superdrol Cap. I sprayed my 5 sprays of S1+ this morning, and just got done spraying my second 5 after my shower this evening. Mmmmmm the smell of that alcohol in the S1+, gotta love it |
| Posted by: hrdgain81 Oct 10 2005, 08:13 PM |
| Hey J, as others have said yeah run it all the way through. 10/10/20/20. Stay focused and get nutty in the gym like i know you can. |
| Posted by: GuardDog Oct 10 2005, 09:18 PM |
| haha, that was my 4k post. Get Xed. That is a pretty good line. "J is going to be Xed when this cycle is over." |
| Posted by: DR X Oct 10 2005, 09:28 PM | ||
I had to add that to my sig  |
| Posted by: bomb_r2 Oct 10 2005, 11:15 PM |
| Hey NikZ I believe the S1+ was a mixture of 1test with 4ad i believe it was 3g of 1test and 4.5g of 4ad Althought I think those may be wrong But I am almost 99%sure it was close to that...I hated sprays always got a freakin rash But I do however like intranasal delivery thats why i bought cyclo dextrins of 1test and 4ad throw em in a nasal sprayer and ur good to go |
| Posted by: Gary46080 Oct 11 2005, 01:26 AM | ||
bomb_r2, what are you taking 1-test through your nose? Man, I don't know how many times it's been said, prohormones and steroids are NOT what you need. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 11 2005, 08:51 AM |
| Day 2 5:00 am was EARLY. I think it is going to take me a few days to get use to working out that early in the morning. By the end of my workout i was a little tired, but i believe it also has to do with the fact i haven't lifted in the last 2 weeks due to injury. So, it will probably take me a day or two to get my stamina back. I am going to be working with some lighter weight/higher reps and work my way down through the course of the weeks. I will be going down to around 10-15 reps next week, and 6-8 on the third week and should finish up my 4th week with somewhere around the 4-6 mark. Workout: Back/Bi's I worked out light today with reps of 20. I will finish out the rest of this week with the 20 reps range and by thur or so, the SD should kick in and i will start adding the weight and lower my reps. I can't wait to get Xed  Overall i had a pretty good workout this morning. Aside from the fatigue i am looking really forward to the Superdrol kicking in. Diet 4200 Calories, 320 grams protein, 480 Carbs, 98 grams fat |
| Posted by: hrdgain81 Oct 11 2005, 09:25 PM |
| J are you taking anything for the lethargy? I know you have some 4ad in there, but the 1 test and the sd may overpower that. Just wondering. I just started with Redzone, the LMR version of redline. Its got me straight up buzzed hahahah. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 12 2005, 11:23 AM | ||
| Day 3 Today is my off day. I will be doing 20 Minutes on the treadmill, 20 Minutes jump rope and 10 minutes on the StairStepper. I am figuring the SD should kick in either Thursday or Friday. Day 4 or 5. The 20 reps from yesterdays workout on Bi's/Back i am actually feeling today. My bi's haven't been aachy in a very long time. Today i feel a little of that deep burn. I love it. Diet 3761 Calories, 278 Protein, 354 Carbs, 113 Fats I missed 2 meals due to work today so i was about 1000 calories below where i normally am on a daily basis and lower on my protein & carbs as well.
Hardgain, i'm not currently taking anything for lethargy. I will play it by ear. If it gets to be overwhelming, then i will add something in the mix. |
| Posted by: Undermind Oct 12 2005, 12:20 PM | ||
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| Posted by: J1Q Oct 12 2005, 12:28 PM | ||
Undermind:
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| Posted by: J1Q Oct 14 2005, 08:45 AM |
| Day 4 I took the day off and went to the Cards Game |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 14 2005, 08:52 AM |
| Day 5 Workout: Shoulders Ok, today was shoulders and it was a good workout. Not sure if i'm just getting use to the morning shift, or if the Superdrol has kicked in, but my strength was up alot actually. I felt alot of energy and didn't hardly wear down at all. I did Overhead Presses which were up in weight Side Laterals/Front Raises Lying Rear Delt Flyes And i finished up with some Shrugs If i recall on my last SD Cycle i noticed some strength increases and intensity changes around the 4th day. So i am figuring the Superdrol is already in effect. I have been taking it right before bed, so i haven't experienced any lethargy as of yet. The S1+ sprays are all coming along nicely as well. Nothing really to report there. I spray 5 sprays/2x daily. I am spraying the most of it on my quads and calves. So far, this cycle is going very smoothly and that's what we want. I will weigh only once a week. So com Monday i will have an update on my weight. Diet: 4400 Calories, 330 Protein, 490 Carbs, 107 Fat |
| Posted by: bad_mofo Oct 14 2005, 10:11 AM |
| good log so you take your full daily dose before bed? |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 14 2005, 11:03 AM | ||
Correct. Right now i am taking 10mg, Once i start taking 20mg, i will dose in the morning and then before bed. |
| Posted by: magoo202 Oct 14 2005, 01:49 PM |
| J1Q, good luck with this. I can't wait to see some after pics. |
| Posted by: DonDada Oct 14 2005, 01:59 PM |
| J...do you spray it on your quads and calves with hairy legs or do you shave? I was always worried that too much would get wasted by being absorbed in my hair so I always sprayed on my shoulders/delts and (shaved) chest. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 14 2005, 02:04 PM |
| No, i don't shave my legs. But, i don't think you have to much to worry about wasting the spray. Once i spray it on, i rub it in anyways. I seriously doubt if any of it is wasted on the hair. |
| Posted by: adrenaline77 Oct 14 2005, 02:06 PM |
| Yea man good luck with it im also on the 4th day (just superdrol) and i felt some strength increases. Good luck J!! |
| Posted by: GuardDog Oct 14 2005, 06:47 PM |
| awww, come on J...shave the wheels. You'll look hot and all the cool people are doing it! |
| Posted by: Nabil54069 Oct 14 2005, 08:35 PM |
| Js a trend setter not a trend spotter. Train spotting |
| Posted by: smoothlove Oct 15 2005, 01:52 AM |
| Good luck dude! sounds like you got a good plan stick to it! |
| Posted by: RepubCarrier Oct 15 2005, 08:10 AM |
| i did something very similar to this 2 months ago. I had to end it halfway due to severe lethargy and depression. PCT was fun though, as 12.5mg ephedrine 4-5x daily (tapered down each week) improved body comp more than the damn cycle did and kept energy levels refreshingly high. i would include ephedrine in your PCT, whenever that ends up being. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 15 2005, 08:28 AM |
| Day 6 Workout: Back/Bi's Woke up this morning at 6:20am. Got all my stuff together took all my regular supps and headed to the gym. I felt great, was ready to knock some weights around. Started with flat bench as today was Chest/Tris. After the first few reps i was no longer as Amped as i first was about the lift. It felt as if i wore down almost immediately. Weights were down on almost every lift. I got to my last set of tri's and simply felt like my arms were going to quiver off doing 20lbs less than i normally do on tri's. My arms simply felt like sledge hamers they were so tired. I hate to think that it is lethargy already setting in because i felt absolutely wonderful and ready to go when i woke up this morning. It may have just been one of those dreaded days we all never look forward to in the gym. Tomorrow is my off day, so i will bust out some cardio tomorrow. And we will see where were at come monday. If i have another bad day, i will simply start throwing in my AMP before my workouts that i have on hand in case lethargy set in. Other than feeling like a beaten down dog this morning, i have nothing negetive to report. So, hopefully this is not a trend that is starting and was just a fluke thing. |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Oct 15 2005, 11:04 AM |
| Are you used to waking up that early and going to the gym? Maybe that's why you're so tired. I'm on Day 8 of SD and I haven't experienced any lethargy yet. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 15 2005, 11:54 AM |
| The morning thing is new to me. That's why i'm not real concerned about it being the SD & S1+. I also splurged and ate 4 burritos lastnight before bed. So the high carbs could have dragged me down this morning as well. |
| Posted by: Christopher78374 Oct 15 2005, 02:27 PM |
| during the last week of my SD cycle I found that taking a 30 minute nap in the afternoon or evening went a long way to combatting the early morning drag. good luck with the rest of your cycle! great log. love reading this stuff. |
| Posted by: adrenaline77 Oct 15 2005, 03:20 PM | ||
Very possible, but ya gotta splurge sometimes |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 17 2005, 08:26 AM |
| Day 7 Off Day. I spent the day watchign Baseball & Football. Did nothing other than rest. Took a few naps on and off all day. It was nice not to have to do anything |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 17 2005, 09:02 AM |
| Day 8 Workout: Back/Bis Well, i'd say the Superdrol is in full swing now. This mornings workout was well above average. I was up in weight on ALL my lifts. Strength and energy were there. Bi's felt rock hard and my back felt super pumped. I am also seeing the beginning stages of the S1+/SD kicking in as well i believe. My balls have got a wee bit smaller in size. Nothing dramatic, but i can tell. I weighed this morning. Scale said 191. Puts me up 3 pounds so far. Diet 4444 Calories, 388 Protein, 415 Carbs, 84 Fat |
| Posted by: RepubCarrier Oct 17 2005, 02:07 PM |
| you have nolva, right? |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 17 2005, 02:12 PM | ||
Of course. |
| Posted by: adrenaline77 Oct 17 2005, 02:14 PM | ||
Sounds good J1Q, keep up the hard work! |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 18 2005, 08:22 AM |
| Day 9 Workout - Shoulders This mornings lift has been the best of the cycle so far. I was up 30lbs on my Overhead Presses. I felt like a complete animal through every lift and every rep. Energy was amazing, and strength as i said is really looking good. I would like to report that my sex drive is through the roof as well. I can't get enough. My wife is loving it. One other thing i would like to report as well i the slight aggression i have been feeling. The past few days i just seem to always be in a mood. Like i would do any chick walking by or fight any guy that smarts off. Kinda of weird because i'm not generally like that. And to be honest i don't remember feeling like this just taking the S1+ or just the Superdrol on those cycles. There was one guy at the gym this morning and he hadn't seen me lifting in several months and came over to me and said man you're really progressing along nicely. So that helped boost my confidence as well. All in all, it's been a great start of the day. Diet 4670 Calories, 330 Protein, 454 Carbs, 108 Fat |
| Posted by: trouble Oct 18 2005, 03:43 PM |
| The answer to your question on why you are feeling so aggressive lies in the binding of these steroid analogs to receptors within the brain. First off, stress and agression have been shown to reinforce one another: Stress And Aggression Reinforce Each Other At The Biological Level WASHINGTON -- Scientists may be learning why it's so hard to stop the cycle of violence. The answer may lie in the nervous system. There appears to be a fast, mutual, positive feedback loop between stress hormones and a brain-based aggression-control center in rats, whose neurophysiology is similar to ours. It may explain why, under stress, humans are so quick to lash out and find it hard to cool down. The findings, which could point to better ways to prevent pathological violence, appear in the October issue of Behavioral Neuroscience, which is published by the American Psychological Association (APA). In five experiments using 53 male rats, behavioral neuroscientists from the Netherlands and Hungary studied whether stimulating the brain's aggression mechanism raised blood levels of a stress hormone and whether higher levels of the same hormone led to the kind of aggression elicited by that mechanism. The results showed a fast-acting feedback loop; the mechanism works in both directions and raising one variable raises the other. Thus, stress and aggression may be mutually reinforcing, which could explain not only why something like the stress of traffic jams leads to road rage, but also why raging triggers an ongoing stress reaction that makes it hard to stop. In the study, the scientists electrically stimulated an aggression-related part of the rat hypothalamus, a mid-brain area associated with emotion. The rats suddenly released the stress hormone corticosterone (very like cortisol, which humans release under stress) -- even without another rat present. Normally, rats don't respond like that unless they face an opponent or another severe stressor. Says lead author Menno Kruk, PhD, "It is well known that these stress hormones, in part by mobilizing energy reserves, prepare the physiology of the body to fight or flee during stress. Now it appears that the very same hormones 'talk back' to the brain in order to facilitate fighting." To study the hypothesized feedback loop from the other direction, the scientists removed the rats' adrenal glands to prevent any natural release of corticosterone. Then researchers injected the rats with corticosterone. Within minutes of injection, the hormone facilitated stimulation-evoked attack behavior. Thus, in rapid order, stimulating the hypothalamic attack area led to higher stress hormones and higher stress hormones led to aggression – evidence of the feedback loop within a single conflict. Write the authors, "Such a mutual facilitation may contribute to the precipitation and escalation of violent behavior under stressful conditions." They add that the resulting vicious cycle "would explain why aggressive behavior escalates so easily and is so difficult to stop once it has started, especially because corticosteroids rapidly pass through the blood-brain barrier." The findings suggest that even when stress hormones spike for reasons not related to fighting, they may lower attack thresholds enough to precipitate violent behavior. That argument, if extended in research to humans, could ultimately explain on the biological level why a bad day at the office could prime someone for nighttime violence toward family members. It is speculated that the findings may help also to explain why people who are not typically violent become violent in settings previously associated with aggression: Their stress hormones rise, facilitating the onset of aggression and making them more likely to become violent in seemingly benign settings. The adrenocortical (hormonal) and hypothalamic (aggressive) responses are ancient, inbred and found across many mammalian species including rats, cats and monkeys. As a result, scientists cannot help but wonder whether the stress-aggression feedback loop could well operate in the real world, not just the lab, and – most importantly -- in humans. Further study is clearly required. The authors comment that their findings, if extended, could explain why "the adrenocortical stress response that accompanies conflict may effectively cancel out the effect of therapies intended to reduce violent behavior. Regulation of the stress response may offer a novel approach to the understanding and control of violent behavior." They speculate that medications, perhaps as-yet undeveloped anxiety-reducers that regulate the stress response, might conceivably help to lower acute stress-precipitated violence. Article: "Fast Positive Feedback Between the Adrenocortical Stress Response and a Brain Mechanism Involved in Aggressive Behavior;" Menno R. Kruk, W. Meelis, J. Halász,and J. Haller. Behavioral Neuroscience, Vol. 118, No. 5. ------------------------------------------ You may remember that I wrote a discussion on the neurochemistry of exogenous steroids. Here are a few of many recently published articles that point to the neurochemical shift when exogenous steroids are used that alter neurotransmitter activity in brain. Neurosteroids, GABAA receptors, and escalated aggressive behavior. Miczek KA, Fish EW, De Bold JF. Horm Behav. 44(3):242-57 (2003). Aggressive behavior can serve important adaptive functions in social species. However, if it exceeds the species-typical pattern, it may become maladaptive. Very high or escalated levels of aggressive behavior can be induced in laboratory rodents by pharmacological (alcohol-heightened aggression), environmental (social instigation), or behavioral (frustration-induced aggression) means. These various forms of escalated aggressive behavior may be useful in further elucidating the neurochemical control over aggression and violence. One neurochemical system most consistently linked with escalated aggression is the GABAergic system, in conjunction with other amines and peptides. Although direct stimulation of GABA receptors generally suppresses aggression, a number of studies have found that positive allosteric modulators of GABAA receptors can cause increases in aggressive behavior. For example, alcohol, benzodiazepines, and many neurosteroids are all positive modulators of the GABAA receptor and all can cause increased levels of aggressive behavior. These effects are dose-dependent and higher doses of these compounds generally shift from heightening aggressive behavior to being sedative and anti-aggressive. In addition, these modulators interact with each other and can have additive effects on the GABAA receptor and on behavior, including aggression. The GABAA receptor is a heteropentameric protein that can be constituted from various subunits. It has been shown that subunit composition can affect sensitivity of the receptor to some modulators and that subunit composition differentially affects the sedative vs anxiolytic actions of benzodiazepines. Initial studies targeting alpha subunits of the GABAA receptor point to their significant role in the aggression-heightening effects of alcohol, benzodiazepines, and neurosteroids. ===================================== Aggression in male rats receiving anabolic androgenic steroids: effects of social and environmental provocation. Breuer ME, McGinnis MY, Lumia AR, Possidente BP. Horm Behav 40(3):409-18 (2001). ABSTRACT This study examined the effects of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) on aggression under different social and environmental conditions. Three AAS were tested in gonadally intact male rats: testosterone propionate (TP), nandrolone (ND), and stanozolol (ST). Doses of 5 mg/kg were given 5 times/week, with gonadally intact controls receiving vehicle only (propylene glycol). Animals received six weekly tests under each condition in a counterbalanced order. Results show that the three AAS differed in their ability to elicit aggression. Males receiving TP were more aggressive than controls, ND males were similar to controls, and ST males were less aggressive than controls. In the social and environmental provocation tests TP-treated males were more aggressive than other groups, but were able to discriminate between intact and castrated opponents and between their home cage and a neutral cage. In the environmental provocation test, TP males were also more aggressive against opponents when tested in the opponent's home cage. It is suggested that chronic exposure to high levels of TP does not eliminate the ability to discriminate between social or environmental cues, as might be expected if it induces a " 'roid rage." However, TP does increase the likelihood that the animal will respond with aggression/dominance in a provoking situation. All three AAS variably affected serum testosterone and LH levels, as well as testes, seminal vesicle, and prostate weights. No effect on body weight was observed. ================================= |
| Posted by: hrdgain81 Oct 18 2005, 05:39 PM | ||
This study obviously has everything to do with you J1Q |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 18 2005, 06:14 PM | ||
You know, i figured someone was going to have something like that to say |
| Posted by: trouble Oct 18 2005, 06:15 PM |
| Given that they slaughtered the test animals at the end of the study, and took out their sex innards to weigh and for anatomical dissection comparisons among controls and treated animals - it couldn't have been done to humans. The responses between humans and rat models is close enough to support the results of other studies done on the neurochemical effects of AAS steroid analogs on behavior. By the way, Hardgainer, I am working on your milk thistle/liver thread... Wordy fricking posts. The next installment will be ready to go later on today. <I'm off to workout.> |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 19 2005, 12:15 PM |
| Day 9 Today is my off day. I always cut my carbs and calories down a little on my off days. I get my cardio in on these days. Cardio today will consist of: 20 minutes treadmill 20 minutes jumprope 10 minutes stepper I have nothing negetive to report. Cycle is going better than i could have hoped for. Strength is up in everything. Weight i going on nicely as well. I seem to be adding my Mass in all the places i had hoped for and less in my gut. That is exactly what i was aiming for. I would like to still be in my 32's by the time i hit my mark of 205-210lbs. Whether i am able to do that is still to be determined. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Oct 19 2005, 12:19 PM | ||
You and your 32's.  I'm fittin' in 34's @ 220 lbs. But, hopefully, by the time Thanksgiving comes around, I'll be in 33's. ------------------------------- Nice log. I'm sure I'll be asking you some questions about my possible SD run. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 19 2005, 12:23 PM | ||||
Are you kidding me. I NEVER would have guessed that, NEVER  When i saw you at the Ballpark, i would have bet my paycheck you were not over a 32. Shakes, you my friend hold your weight better than anyone i've seen.
More than happy to help. |
| Posted by: trouble Oct 19 2005, 12:24 PM |
| Jay - Are you doing these cardio workouts all at once? You might see less muscle burning and more fat loss if you partition them out, one early morning, one mid day and one later in the afternoon / early evening. You can do the jump rope outside, with your kids. Then you're still at home with family in the evenings.If you get can get a good interval workout for each set, you will push your BMR longer without sacrificing new muscle for energy as you would in one protracted workout. Just a thought. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 19 2005, 12:43 PM |
| trouble, thats a great thought. I had planned on doing them all at once, but now that you mention it, i think i will split them up throughout my day. Thanks |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 19 2005, 05:42 PM |
| I guess so far the 2 main things i have to report on is my Sex Drive & my state of mind. Sex Drive is absolutely through the roof. I know it was elevated on my last S1+ Cycle, but i don't recall it being anywhere near this level. I feel as if i could go all day long at any time. And my state of mind is more so on the aggressive side this time around as well. Could be due to the fact that i'm running both the SD/S1+. And i have to say as trouble stated and she knows a little about my recent history and level of stress. I am also putting some of it on my stress levels. Last time i was on cycle i had the usual stress. This time around, there have been some situations going on that simply have me on edge. So i attribute some of it to that as well. I seem to be in a constant state of ATTITUDE. A feeling of i could give a shit less what anyone else thinks. One more thing i would like to report on as well is that i have had NO joint pain what so ever. And i actually haven't been taking anything for it either as my Glucosamine ran out a few weeks ago. Hopefully, this is informative for others. |
| Posted by: hrdgain81 Oct 19 2005, 09:14 PM | ||
Lookin real good so far j, I dont know how you can drop down your carbs on your off days, I would sleep all day.
two things trouble, one, you always respond so seriously when I'm kidding ... come on, i'm kinda funny sometimes right? two, I think you may have me confused with the other guy named hardgainer (without the 81). I dont care about my liver |
| Posted by: trouble Oct 19 2005, 09:46 PM |
| Yeah, I knew you were kidding, Hardainer. I get concerned when see the odd comment here and there about the supposed lack of validity for drawing conclusions for human systems from whole animal models (particularly rat). Having conducted research using rat models for adrenal function early on, and later, diabetes, it can be irksome to hear snide comments from the uniformed (not yours, others posted here in this forum and elsewhere) about these animal model studies and their applicability to the human condition. And yes, you are indeed correct, I confused you with Hardgain. My apologies for the misidentity. And yes, you have a wicked sense of humor. Also a heart of gold. <A most pleasing combination of personality traits.> |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 20 2005, 05:22 PM |
| Day 10 Workout Legs I did the best as i could on my legs with the current state i am still in injury wise. Yes, my groin is healing but there are still a few movemtns and excercises i cannot do. I wasn't able to do Squats this morning, Leg extensions, Lunges or Abs. So, i worked with what i had. I did Leg Presses, Hamstring Curls, & Calf Raises. I feel by next week i should be able to do some rope crunches since that will pretty much hit my upper abdominals and won't put any strain on my lower abs/groin. I am also hoping to be able to include Squats next week as well. I seriously doubt i will be still be able to do Leg Extensions or Lunges. Those movements really put the strain on me. My sleep habits have been really good accept for lastnight, but that was nothing related to the Cycle. By the way, glad you were around trouble, i really enjoyed our ALL NIGHTER Diet 4767 Calories, 347 Protein, 434 Carbs, 119 Fat It appears that my average daily intake for the last 10 days is as listed: Calories = 4404 Protein = 332 Carbs = 437 Fats = 104 So what do you guys think? The only thing i am not real happy with is the low carb count. I really feel as if my carbs need to be in the mid 500's to low 600's. |
| Posted by: tricky73 Oct 20 2005, 07:48 PM |
| hey j sounds like you are having a good cycle. keep up the good work. i would be really interested in your diet is it possible if you can post that up. |
| Posted by: trouble Oct 20 2005, 08:05 PM |
| I would look at nutrient timing for delivery when you need it. You plan your day out pretty carefully. You need to make sure you have fast delivery nutrients when you need to load up for energy just before and after a workout, and otherwise, to have a slow but steady release of carbs to keep blood sugar nice and even thoughout your nonworkout hours. No big spikes and no lulls and drops. For that, you need whole fruits and vegetables, with plenty of fiber. Examine the quality of your carbs and partition them according to your needs and expenditure. If you feel you need more, err on the cautious side and add the whole, moderate glycemic index types, unless you are seriously energy deprived during workouts. Remember, fast release glucogenic aminos serve both as signaling and repair agents, when not directly converted to energy. If you're dosing with whey, that actually acts like a carb when used pre workout. Use BCAAs to backfill the aminos for repair / muscle cell protein signaling, before during and after exercise. |
| Posted by: adrenaline77 Oct 20 2005, 08:09 PM |
| The carb count seems ok imo. But theres never anything wrong with a couple more potatoes everyday |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Oct 20 2005, 09:17 PM |
| J, are you hard gainer or you tend to pack on pounds easy? I think your carbs and protein are probably fine. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 21 2005, 04:48 AM |
| Will, i am NOT a hardgainer. I don't have any problems packing on the weight. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 21 2005, 08:26 PM |
| Day 11 Workout - Chest/Tris Today was the kind of day that makes you realize how someone can get hooked and never want to come off cycle. I normally have been working with 215-220 for reps on my Flat Bench. Today, on my 4th set i got 245 for 7 reps. Incline & Decline presses were both up around 25-30lbs. The thing about today was th fact that even when i was done and walking out of the gym, i still felt like i could have kept going at the same pace. I can tell that i am putting a little weight on now and gaining some size, because my pans are getting a hair snug and my watch is going to need another link put in it. My watch is getting pretty tight. Sprays are all going well. Nothing negetive at all to report. My balls really haven't shrunk alot. Yes, they are somewhat smaller but not that bad. My water intake has been right at 2 gallons per day. Sleep patterns haven't been affected at all this time around with the Superdrol. I believe taking it right before bed is the best thing anyone can do while taking SD. DIET 4030 Calories, 306 Protein, 343 Carbs, 103 Fats |
| Posted by: adrenaline77 Oct 21 2005, 10:33 PM |
| lol. very weird i just put another link in my watch today cuz it was too damn tight! But about taking a dose before bed, i've been taking your advice on that since day 1 and been doin it since. Cant complain, keep up the awesome work my man. I'll be checking back. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 22 2005, 04:51 PM |
| Day 12 Workout - Back/Bis Todays workout went really well. Which is becoming very much the norm. All lifts were up as usual. Today on back, we Deadlifted 4 sets of 315lbs for 10 reps. I was VERy happy with that. Bi's were unusally pumped and remained hard for about 4 hours after my workout. Which was nice, as i headed out to a gunshow and noticed a few people giving me that stare of, DAYUUUM Just another awsome day in the gym. DIET Well, diet kinda sucked. Since i left for the gunshow kinda early and just not got back, i didn't eat really well. So, instead of not getting my calories in, after the gunshow we stopped at Ryans a buffet style restaurant. I believe i got all 4,000 of my calories at one setting  . My gut looks completely swollen. I most certainly did not get cheated on my calories today. |
| Posted by: Gary46080 Oct 22 2005, 06:03 PM | ||
Sounds like things are going very well J1Q and good job on the deadlifts..
Well you know, the only way to bag a classy lady is to give her two tickets to the gun show and see if she likes the goods..  |
| Posted by: smoothlove Oct 22 2005, 11:05 PM |
| Good work J! when you go up to 20mgQD next week will you spit the dose A.M. /P.M? Or dose it at once before bed? |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 23 2005, 10:00 AM | ||
I will be dosing at Noon and then again right before bed. The morning is my time of feeling really energized now. I don't want to chance turning myself lathargic throughout the entire day. So, i will dose at noon instead.
Gary, that's great |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Oct 23 2005, 10:22 AM |
| Good work J!! Am I the only one that's not lethargic from SD? |
| Posted by: DR X Oct 23 2005, 11:12 AM | ||
I guess your just one of the lucky ones. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 24 2005, 08:22 AM |
| Day 13 OFF DAY |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 24 2005, 09:13 AM |
| Day 14 Workout - Shoulders Well, i did shoulders today. I cut wood yesterday, so i wan't sure how i would be feeling this morning. We shouldn't be shocked that once i got stretched and the blood flowing the lift was as good otherwise. I was able to move up another 5 pounds today on my overhead presses. That puts me up a total of 35lbs overall so far. I did notice that my traps were still a little tender from saturdays back workout. I am sure my increaed deadlift couldn't have had anything to do with it Today i will begin dosing my Superdrol at 20mg. I will be dosing at Noon and then before bed. I also cracked open my second bottle of S1+ today. Overall, this has been the best start to a PH Cycle i have done. Diet 4326 Calories, 287 Protein, 446 Carbs, 118 Fats |
| Posted by: hrdgain81 Oct 24 2005, 11:42 AM |
| dam J, solid cycle and great log so far. Dam jealous of the deadlift numbers, my lower back cant handle that shit. keep it going bro |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 24 2005, 01:06 PM |
| Ok guys, i just got done weighing myself for week 2. 201lbs I have to say, i was SHOCKED. I could not believe it. I felt as if i put on some pretty good size this week, but not like that. Last week if you recall i weighed 191lbs. That is 10lbs in a week. I never would have guessed that. I was figuring on 4-6lbs not 10. My goal was to be around 205-210 by the end of this cycle. I am starting to believe i may seriously surpass that. Might be more in the lines of reaching 215-220lbs. Oh yeah and Shakes this is for you buddy. The 32's are still fitting just fine |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Oct 24 2005, 01:13 PM |
| You are a bastard! You can take your 32's and... and... your mom. That's okay. I fit in some 34s real nice (you guys haven't gotten a booty shot... luscious, I tell you) I give new meaning to junk in the trunk.  But, I see my upcoming 4 week cut and then onto the S1+ cycle putting me back down into some 33's nice and snug. My frame doesn't allow 32's... that's what I wore in high school. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 24 2005, 01:21 PM |
| I know we have some nasayers on here that don't really think CLA does anything or is worth taking, but i am really wondering myself. I have been running 9 grams of CLA/day. I have to believe coupled with the clean diet i have been on it has helped keep my fat gains to a minimum. The only reason i say this is because i have not been able to do much cardio due to the injuries i have suffered prior to beginning this cycle. I will not go as far as to give it two thumbs up yet, but i seriously believe it is making a difference. |
| Posted by: Gary46080 Oct 24 2005, 02:20 PM | ||||
I never noticed any lethargy from SD either.. I felt great the entire cycle except for a few days I had the bad back pumps. |
| Posted by: DR X Oct 24 2005, 02:46 PM | ||
Impressive gains and you suck still fitting in the 32's. Keep up he good work. |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Oct 24 2005, 02:52 PM | ||||||
I'm also taking in 10 grams of Vitamin B5 a day. Maybe that has to do with it. I think I've actually felt more energetic while on SD than before. It's like I can't wait to go to the gym. Minor back pumps for me. Usually after deadlifts at gym or taking out the trash cans to the curb. They go away quick. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 24 2005, 03:01 PM |
| I have not experienced any of the back pumps yet, but today is my first day ramping up to 20mg. So we shall see if they come now. |
| Posted by: adrenaline77 Oct 24 2005, 03:41 PM |
| I get the back pumps from standing at work all the time but as soon as i start lifting, they go away even with deads. ANd no lethargy for me just for 1 day during the first week and thats it. I think that was my body just getting used to it. Good luck bro! |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 25 2005, 09:23 AM | ||
Sorry tricky, i must have missed this. I will post up what a general day looks like. Keep in mind that i do switch it up so i don't get burnt out or i will throw in a cheat meal here and there. I am not going to list supplements here, just my diet. Pre Workout 4:30am -- V8 & a Bannana Post-Workout 5:45am -- Gatorade & Protein 8:00 am -- Oatmeal, Bannana, 2 Slices Toast, 4 Eggs & Glass of Milk 10:00am -- Hamburger, Brown Rice, Raw Potato, 1 slice bread Noon -- Chicken Breast, Yams, Flax Oil, Glass o Tea 3:00pm -- 2 PB&J Sandwhiches, Protein Shake, Raw Carrots and Celery 5:00pm -- Chicken Breast, Spinach, Glass of Milk Before Bed -- Protein Shake, Yogurt & Flax Oil |
| Posted by: Nabil54069 Oct 25 2005, 11:26 AM |
| Damn you get up pretty early, what do you do here talking till 12 am. What you sleep 4 hours a day |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 25 2005, 12:08 PM | ||
Well, Stress is a wonderful thing isn't it  But seriously, i have been going to be around 10:00 the past week or so. |
| Posted by: Nabil54069 Oct 25 2005, 12:30 PM |
| You need rest bro. You know that is an important factor in muscle training. I hope youll able to rectify the situation. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 25 2005, 04:08 PM |
| Day 15 Workout - Legs Once again, i only did what my body would allow me to do. Leg Presses & Calf Raises. It felt kinda of like a weak workout but i guess that has to do withthe fact i woke up dog tired as well. Didn't really sleep all that well lastnight. Had alot of crap on my mind, guess that contributed. Everything else is going great. The S1+ sprays are all coming along nicely as is upping the dosage of Superdrol to 20mg. I have no joint pain to report and i have not been on any Glucosamine. So this is good news as well. Diet My diet sucked today. Was busy with work and just didn't have the time to get all my meals in. 3274 Calories, 279 Protein, 302 Carbs, 80 Fats |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 26 2005, 11:23 AM |
| Day 16 Today is my off day. I have noticed that lastnight and when i woke up this morning my lower back was a little tight. Could be from doing Leg Presses yesterday morning but i am figuring it is the 20mg of SD. My last SD Cycle i had some pretty ferocious lower back pumps and tightness. Even when i was just sitting down. So, i am guessing i am one of the unlucky ones who is prone to the tight lower back. Other than that, everything is going very nice. Blood Pressure is staying normal, i haven't had what i would call NEGETIVE side effects. No hairloss, oh yeah thats right, i don't have any hair anyways, so who knows |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 26 2005, 03:58 PM |
| One other thing i would like to report on. Today, i have really noticed that my skin, and muscles seem very tight. Almost as if they have been pumped all day. So much so, that it almost seems to affect flexability, thats how tight i feel, kid you not. One other thing i have noticed after talking to Will. As his Sex Drive is still very much in overdrive, mine has seemed to of tappered off somewhat since starting 20mg of SD/day. |
| Posted by: adrenaline77 Oct 26 2005, 04:13 PM |
| The muscle thing is true, same thing happening to me. But my sex drive is through the damn roof! Keep up the good work bro |
| Posted by: DR X Oct 26 2005, 04:16 PM | ||
That won't last long. I'm horney as a J bird on my cycle. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 26 2005, 04:28 PM | ||||
My wife asked me lastnight if i was ok. I said of course. She said well, we've only done it 4 times so far this week and it was only TUESDAY |
| Posted by: DR X Oct 26 2005, 05:18 PM | ||
4 times and it's only Tuesday. Dammmmmm You are worthy |
| Posted by: Nabil54069 Oct 26 2005, 05:19 PM | ||
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| Posted by: willpiazza31 Oct 26 2005, 05:22 PM |
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| Posted by: J1Q Oct 26 2005, 06:13 PM | ||||
I thought the same thing about your mouth the last time you wrapped your two lips around my meat missile |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Oct 26 2005, 08:16 PM | ||
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| Posted by: J1Q Oct 27 2005, 09:54 AM |
| Day 17 Workout - Chest/Tris Today was another excellent morning in the gym. I got to bed relatively early lastnight and got plenty of sleep. It sure made a difference in the gym this morning as well. Energy was back where it needed to be. Muscles are SO tight right now, it is continual. I love it, feels like my muscles are staying pumped all day long. I did notice more lower back tightness throughout the course of my workout as well. I believe i will be stopping by the drug store tonight to pick up some advil. Testies have gotten a little smaller as well. My wife noticed it and mentioned to me that it is quit noticable now. Not really sure how to take that, but she's not complaining to much since i am giving it to her so much, Absolutely no side effects to report other than the lower back tightness. The S1+ sprays are all coming along nicely as well. I have been keeping it all on my quads and calves so i haven't had to worry about rubbing off on any of my family. I am seriously thinking of pushing myself to a few new boundaries on back tomorrow. I have felt that i can workout with 325 on my deads but have just leary to do it. I think i will go ahead and push myself that extra step in the morning. Diet 4374 Calories, 248 Protein, 479 Carbs, 143 Fats Todays diet was horrible. I just didn't feel like eating the same ol same ol that i have for weeks on end so i pretty much blew it and ate whatever i wanted. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 28 2005, 09:35 AM |
| Day 18 Workout - Back/Bi's Workout was good accept for the lower back pumps. They got so harsh that i actually didn't do any deadlifts today. Bi's felt as if they were going to rip through my skin though. Even though i didn't do deadlifts, i got an excellent back workout. I just threw in some One Arm DB Rows to replace the Deads. I am really impressed with how much my muscle have hardened up and remain that way. I feel as if i have really put on some size this week. Well, i know i have as my pants are almost to the point now that i may have to be moving up to my 33's or 34's. Yeah, Yeah Shakes and X you can laugh it up now .I believe i notice the biggest gains in my traps. Traps really seem to have just exploded. Since i can't really see my back, i will leave it up to you guys to let me know how far along it's came. I am going to put up a couple pics for you guys this afternoon. Overall feeling is great. No real lethargy to report. To me, this is exactly how a cycle is suppose to go. |
| Posted by: Pezz Oct 28 2005, 10:42 AM |
| I've done a standalone cycle of S1+ back when it was still available and that stuff was great. It gave me the kind of results and feelings that you are having right now it seems. I am now into the 3/4 of the way into my second week of the SD cycle and I have yet to get the same kind of pumps that I got on the S1+, but I have noticed some pretty good strength gains and a little size added on along with about 4-5 lbs of extra weight. No leathargy to report here nor back pumps, but I just started the 20mg doseage this past Monday. Good luck with your cycle sounds like you are doing awsome. I'm jealous that you still have some S1+, I wish I would have had the money at the time it was still legal to stock up on some. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 28 2005, 02:21 PM |
| I'm guessing by the way i look and my clothes are fitting i will have probably put on another 4 pounds this week. |
| Posted by: Nabil54069 Oct 28 2005, 02:28 PM |
| O youre so sexy |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 28 2005, 02:54 PM | ||
I like the way you talk |
| Posted by: DR X Oct 28 2005, 03:12 PM | ||
LOL, It’s about time. I laugh the laugh of 1000 laughs. For the back, if you even suspect it’s going to pump out on you, especially on a day that’s hard on the back take the advil before your workout. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 31 2005, 10:27 AM |
| Day 19 I had all my girls by myself today. I wasn't able to lift. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 31 2005, 10:31 AM |
| Day 20 Off Day |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 31 2005, 10:54 AM |
| Day 21 Workout - Chest/Tris Well, i am in the final stretch. This is the beginning of my 4th week. I am sure not looking forward to calling it quits. My workout this morning was good as always. My Flat BB has pretty much leveled off with a total of 35lb increase, but i was able to throw on another 5lbs to my incline today. That puts me up 30lbs on my Incline so far. I supersetted my Tricep Pushdowns and Weighted Dips today. Tri's were absolutely SWOLLEN. My triceps are still as rocks 5 hours later. I can easily tell the biggest change in my shoulders. I have definately added some size and width to my shoulders. Which was one of the points in which i wanted to focus on the most through this bulk. I couldn't be happier with this cycle so far. This is a perfect example of what researching and planning will get you. I weighed this morning as well. I have put on another 4lbs. I am now up to 205lbs @ 12%BF. I can certainly live with that. That puts me up a total of 17lbs thus far. If i can reach a gain of 20lbs on this cycle and keep all of it, i will consider this cycle even better than what i had hoped for. Side Effects = None other than slight back pumps, but once i took the advil, that subsided almost completely. Testies have gotten a little smaller as well, but who needs big balls anyways. Mine were big enough as it was. Diet 4525 Calories, 273 Protein, 450 Carbs, 105 Fats |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Oct 31 2005, 11:12 AM |
| Glad everything has been going as planned (or even better). Yeah, I know what you mean about ending a cycle... it's like a bad breakup LOL You should continue this log for a couple weeks into PCT to see how your body reacts to ending the SD/S1+ cycle. |
| Posted by: J1Q Oct 31 2005, 11:31 AM | ||
I plan to. I will update my log daily as well throughout PCT so people can actually see how PCT is SUPPOSE to be ran. In my opinion PCT is AS IMPORTANT as the cycle itself. Why waste your time on cycle only to have all your gains lost during PCT. What was the point in putting your body through what you just did if for not to keep it all. |
| Posted by: Sardonic Oct 31 2005, 03:53 PM |
| Nice log, J1Q...and do continue on through your post cycle therapy, I'm anxious to see how much of the weight gain will stay. Hopefully all of it will. |
| Posted by: tricky73 Oct 31 2005, 09:52 PM |
| hey bro im glad everything is going well this time around. are you planning on doing another sd cycle in the future? |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 09:55 AM | ||
I'm not sure |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Nov 1 2005, 10:35 AM | ||||
J, you are always changin' your posts... Where's the goodies? |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 10:43 AM | ||||||
HAHA, you saw that. Well, i wasn't sure i wanted ot advertise that. The more i thought about it, i figure i should just keep it on the DL for now. You sneaky, sneaky boy Shakes |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 03:11 PM |
| Day 22 Ok, i woke up late so i will be working out this evening instead of this morning. But i DID want to report the first Negetive Side effects thus far. I went home at lunch today and showered and shaved my head. Well, while in the shower i started spitting up blood and felt really weak. Anyways, i continued to spit blood for about 20 minutes. I took my BP and it was Off the Charts. My BP was 160/100. I am back at work now trying to decide if i should go ahead and pop my first Superdrol Cap for the day? |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Nov 1 2005, 03:13 PM | ||
How long were you in the shower? Was the water really hot and steamy? I think that contributed more to the spitting blood and feeling weak. It happened to my gf once. We were in the shower doing stuff and she felt loss of breath. The shower was pretty hot and the bathroom was all fogged up. I think there's a name to this but I can't remember what it is. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 03:15 PM | ||||
I always take really hot showers. Enough to turn my skin red. Why now after 3 weeks of being on the SD? |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Nov 1 2005, 03:17 PM |
| Oh ok. I don't know then. Is your BP down to normal now? |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 03:31 PM | ||
I will check again here in an hour. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 03:32 PM |
Well, here is an updated pic. |
| Posted by: DR X Nov 1 2005, 04:14 PM |
| Check your PM |
| Posted by: trouble Nov 1 2005, 04:24 PM |
| I'd put the bf content higher - close to 15%. Some of the weight gain will be water retention. SD doens't stop it, it just promotes it less than other steroids do. You can't possibly maintain all of this mass gain - you won't have the hormone levels to do so. But there are means to maintan most of it, so you have to be realistic in your expectations from this cycle. When you say "spitting up blood" - do you mean nose bleed or are you describing esophogeal or gut hemoraging? The former isn't nearly as dangerous as the latter. Please clarify. Also, have you had any other symptoms...shooting pains in head/face/neck, also headache, nausea (outside of training or duing or right after training). How are you doing on stress control? You're looking very large in the pic - considering how you looked early this summer (from your marathon training). Nice gains. Little worried about this side effect Jay... |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Nov 1 2005, 04:29 PM |
| Yeah, J... the spitting up blood thing... doesn't sound too good. Please be careful. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 04:36 PM | ||
trouble, the blood was as in, if i were to really reach back and pull some spit from the back of my throat, it doubled in proportions of the amount of blood i was able to spit up. Does that make sence? I have had NO other symptoms to speak of. That's why this really took me by surprise. Stress levels are down. I have just decided to just accept the circumstance at hand and live with it. Thanks for the critique trouble. I can always count on your honest opinions |
| Posted by: trouble Nov 1 2005, 05:08 PM |
| OK, that means that you weren't spitting *up* blood, it was coming out as postnasal discharge. You had a blood nose, but this was mild rupture of the sinus membranes. Probably a combo of the diuretic effects and elevated bp. To make you feel better, heres a link to a UK site. I wanted you to note that most SD users report that gains taper off by the forth week (when side effects start to rise). The author therefore recommends a 3-wk cycle. http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-superdrol.asp I couldn't find a discussion on hemoraging, but we do know that it affects smooth wall vascular tissues. Say hey - son of a gun, doesn't that soy protect against this kind of an effect?? Hmm. Anyway, I told you take taurine for a darned good reason - it lowers bp, as does its look a like, glycine. Also osmoreguates like a tiger - and controls blood lipid metabolism too. All positive effects needed to counter the actions of SD. |
| Posted by: adrenaline77 Nov 1 2005, 05:17 PM |
| Damn j1, just sat down to read how your log was going and read that you are spitting up blood! Holy crap man, best of luck for you. I wish i had expert advice that i could give you because i would. Sorry to hear that this is happening to you. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 05:28 PM |
| Well guys, i am sitting here with this little white superdrol pill in front of me. I still haven't taken it ad i don't guess i will be. I suppose i will be cutting yet another Superdrol Cycle short. Believe me, i am not happy about this. I was beginning to think that maybe i was just not capable of handling the SD, but after talking to a few others, i am not so sure others have not had some close calls on SD as well. So, i will listen to my gut instinct and stop dosing. 17lbs is nothing to complain over. I am happy with the results i got in the 3 weeks that i did cycle. I wish i had better news to report. This seems all to familiar. I expect my health is first and foremost my main concern at this point in time and i am not really willing to risk anything or take any chances. I don't know, call it what you will but i just don't see how continuing will benefit me. I will contiue this log throughout the course of PCT as well and keep everyone updated on the gains i am able to retain. Once again, sorry for the depressing news. |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Nov 1 2005, 05:35 PM |
| Sorry to hear it. But you still did 3 weeks and gained some size and strength. Keep your head up. Now PCT it up and keep eating and lifting heavy! |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 07:22 PM |
| You know something that strikes me as odd. Why, just because you get off cycle, is it a given that you will probably loose a little weight. I mean if you continue eating big and exceeding well above maintenance, why can't you still expect to make gains?? This has always puzzled me.  I mean if i continue at 4500-5000 CAls why can't i still pack on some pounds? |
| Posted by: Nabil54069 Nov 1 2005, 07:22 PM |
| Nick 17lbs is amazing man some ppl dont even get 15lbs on a 4-5 week cycle. Dont lower your head, you did great. Just get your PCT done. Consider it mission accomplished |
| Posted by: magoo202 Nov 1 2005, 07:24 PM |
| Good Job, J. I would kill for 17 in 3 weeks. 6 pounds a week! Now eat even bigger and lift even harder and prove all those "I lose wieght in PCT" people wrong! |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 07:28 PM | ||
Thanks Nabil. I agree, i can't hang my head. 17lbs is very good. Now, the job of making sure i keep the gains |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 07:29 PM | ||
magoo, i am going to do my best to prove them wrong. |
| Posted by: trouble Nov 1 2005, 07:38 PM |
| The answer to your question: You have exogenously boosted muscle building (anabolic) hormone action -at the expense of production of other hormones. You artificially shifted your control systems. Your body has a wonderful capacity to self regulate - when the exogenous chemical signal is removed, it slowly readapt to new conditions and shifts back to a more normal composition. Those steroid levels drop, so does the mass of muscle, along with shifts in composition due to shifted hormone and metabolism. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 1 2005, 07:46 PM | ||
So will it be impossible for me to even consider making anymore gains i n the next 4 weeks while on PCT? Possibly so, but i am sure going to give it my all with my my diet and hard work in the gym to prove that theory wrong. I certainly understand my body will be readjusting. I am open for any suggestions you may have trouble or anyone else for that matter in trying to retain ALL if not even gain another couple of pounds. |
| Posted by: magoo202 Nov 1 2005, 08:14 PM |
| Screw science, you can do it. |
| Posted by: tricky73 Nov 2 2005, 12:55 AM |
| sorry to hear bro. but look at the bright side 17 pounds is really good i hope you can keep most of it. eat big and lift big bro and you should be fine. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 2 2005, 01:22 PM |
| PCT Day 1 Today is the first day of starting my PCT. My PCT i will continue to run 1000mg of Milk Thistle & 1500mg Hawthorn Berry. I will also be including 2000mg of Fenugreek the first 2 weeks 40ml of Nolva throughout the first week. taurine and Primaforces Fuze. I will also be upping my daily caloric intake in the upwards of 5500 Calories a day to try and grab an extra couple of pounds throughout PCT. I know it's unheard of, but i'm going to give it my damndest. Diet 4790 Calories, 304 Protein, 451 Carbs, 113 Fats |
| Posted by: Btrice Nov 2 2005, 01:26 PM | ||
Not unheard of man. Muscle just doesn't "disappear". You can do it! Did you decide on the stuff we talked about? |
| Posted by: DR X Nov 2 2005, 01:32 PM |
| Remember, the SD is still working in your system for another week. |
| Posted by: David220 Nov 2 2005, 02:47 PM |
| Sorry to hear about your cycle J1Q. I too had bad sides on my last cycle, nose bleeds, and gums began to bleed. I know alot of peeps swear by SD, but its one substance I'm glad their getting rid of before someone ends up dead. This is one substance I won't be stocking up on. Good Luck and I wish you well on your PCT. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 2 2005, 02:53 PM | ||
Thank You david |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 3 2005, 10:58 AM |
| PCT Day 2 Workout - Shoulders/Abs Todays workout was as if i haven't even stopped taking SD. I actually went up ANOTHER 10 pounds on my Overhead Presses. I felt like a BEAST today. The best part of my training today was the factthat i was able to do abs again finally. After several weeks of nursing this groin, i was finally able to hit my abs agian and it felt wonderful. I am raising the bar of intensity to new levels during this course of PCT to retain all the gains i have made and then some. I will weigh again on monday to see where i stand. One thing i have to say, i feel like bloated roadkill i am eating so much. I am going to try my best to up my calories above 5000 Cals. I am just not sure i'm going to be able to do it. I feel like i'm going to puke everytime i sit down to eat. It is 9:45 in the morning and i am already at 1800 Calories. Diet 4650 Calories, 264 Protein, 482 Carbs, 124 Fats My protein has been down a little these last few days. So i am making sure i up my protein intake just a little. |
| Posted by: DonDada Nov 3 2005, 05:37 PM |
| What's the purpose of the fenugreek? |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 3 2005, 06:41 PM |
| Well i have a couple updated measurements. L- Bi = 15" Flexed = 16 1/4 R- Bi = 15 Flexed = 16 1/2 Chest = 43 1/4 Prior to Cycle L Bi - 14 1/2 Flexed - 15 3/4 R Bi - 14 3/8 Flexed - 15 7/8 Chest - 42 1/2 |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Nov 3 2005, 06:42 PM | ||
You and me both. I've been bloated all month from food. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 5 2005, 07:56 AM |
| PCT Day 3 Workout - Legs Workout went pretty good today. I was a little tired from staying up late. Me and a couple buddies went to the movies, so i was out late. I ate alot of carbs before i went to bed which also didn't help my cause out. Overall strength is still there. It is kind of hard for me to tell anything on legs right now though since i've been working them fairly lightly, nursing this groin back to health. Energy levels have come down just a little but nothing drastic. Diet 3800 Calories, 236 Protein, 401 Carbs, 14 Fats Guys, it has been very difficult to up my calories anymore than what i;ve already been eating. I really thought i could get into the 5000 calorie range but i am just not so sure. All day today, everytime i ate i simply felt so bloated. I basically forced myself to eat. It was no fun. So, i imagine i will be staying right around the 4200-4500 range. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 5 2005, 08:05 AM |
| PCT Day 4 Workout - Chest/Tris Today was as if i was still on cycle. Everything was there. Strength, intensity, everything. This morning felt really good. The only thing i can notice and tell somewhat of a difference in is the fact that my skin doesn't feel quit as tight as it did. As i reported before, it felt as if my muscles were constantly pumped, well that feeling has dissipated somewhat. They are still tight, but not ripping through the skin tight. My Flat BB was the same weight and same reps as last week. So i am very happy the strength is still there. Sex Drive is through the roof as well. My wife LOVES ME. My stomach and waist have grown somewhat, but that was to be expected. I have not gotten fat by any means but i have certainly put on a nice little layer of insulation Thats ok, i believe i look thicker than i ever have Instead of a wedge, i look more like a tree trunk. And right now i am just worried about putting on size, not showing off my abs. I am getting really curious about what the scales going to say monday. |
| Posted by: Christoph22123 Nov 6 2005, 02:14 PM | ||||
It's called Homeostasis. your body is fighting to equal off, get back to "normal" state. That's why I find if I stop taking even creatine, switch up eating patterns, and training, my progress excels . We all know we adapt to change, change is something our bodies fight. Good luck J, and good call. |
| Posted by: fatguy Nov 6 2005, 02:24 PM |
| good log. |
| Posted by: smoothlove Nov 7 2005, 02:24 AM |
| Sorry bout you cuttin your cycle short I had a simular exp. on my last SD cycle I have a hemmoroid that may bleed time to time but just a little tiny smear and rarely at that esp If i get dehydrated or do legs real heavy (thats how i got it in the first place) After 3 weeks of SD, one day I wiped and I almost passed out ! I was like damn wtf? so I wiped again and there was no more This happened the next day also. (the day I finished the cycle) when the SD stopped the blood stopped. One of the sides is easy bleed. Do you have bleeding gums after you brush? sinus infection? Either way youve done great! |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 7 2005, 09:50 AM |
| PCT Day 5 Off Day |
| Posted by: Sardonic Nov 7 2005, 10:17 AM |
| Damn, bro...sorry to hear about the "spitting" up blood issue. Is you blood pressure back to normal? Are you still having the blood issue? Please let me know as I am now paranoid as hell about starting my SD cycle in a couple of weeks... |
| Posted by: Pezz Nov 7 2005, 10:31 AM |
| Too add a little personal exp with my cycle, I haven't spit up any blood, but I have had a few bloody noses since friday (3days ago). I'm into my last week of my 4 week cycle. The nose bleeds have subsided for the time being. I'm not sure that this has anything to do with this cycle but thought I would add some input. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 7 2005, 10:35 AM |
| PCT Day 6 Workout - Back/Bi's I set a PR this morning. I Deadlifted 405lbs. Heck Yeah.............. I believe i could have gotten 450 but i was happy with stopping at 405 since i had already done 4 sets of 10 reps @ 325lbs. So i didn't figure i wanted to push myself anymore. As you can tell i am STOKED about this mornings lift. Bi's went great, back workout was great as well. I am still feeling like a strong MOFO. I don't think an ounce of strength has left me. PCT is absolutely going great. Other than the fact i am getting real tired of eating. Feels like i've been eating BIG for so long i can't remember what it feels like to get hungry. Anymore i eat to just eat because i know i have to. To be honest, i am looking very forward to being able to drop down to maintenance and get back to enjoying eating instead of DREADING it. I have to admit, i was a little worried about weighing this morning. I had noticed sat & sun my 32's were back to fitting. Well, i weighed this morning and must say i got a HUGE surprise.Weight has not dropped a pound. I weighed in this morning @ 204lbs. I am not real sure why my jeans are fitting somewhat a little more comfortably but i am not arguing. I am just glad to see after almost the first week of PCT all my weight, size and strength gains have remained. So, even if i had to cut this cycle short and only was able to get 3 weeks in and i keep all 17lbs i will be most happy. I hope this portion of the log shows everyone that through proper PCT you can keep all your gains you make while on cycle. |
| Posted by: DR X Nov 7 2005, 05:08 PM |
| Sweetness, you make you jealous. Do not ever talk to me about fitting in your 32's Your getting Xed |
| Posted by: zomzom Nov 7 2005, 05:46 PM |
| Very nice log J1Q good work. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Nov 7 2005, 07:27 PM | ||
Yeah! I dream of my old 33's. I'm in 34's right now... but they are getting looser by the day. |
| Posted by: DR X Nov 7 2005, 07:37 PM | ||
Yeah shakes but you cheat. You wear your underwear on the outside. |
| Posted by: Hellsing738 Nov 9 2005, 06:46 PM |
| Hey J1Q just wondering since your on your PCT Cylce now after SD, did you ever experience any signs of Gyno tits at all after the SD Cylce? Or are you perfectly still perfectly normal and all? |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 10 2005, 09:56 AM | ||
No, no signs of gyno whatsoever |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 10 2005, 10:08 AM |
| PCT Day 7 Workout - Shoulders/Abs My shoulders have got to be the most improved part of my body. The strength i have gained in them is so pleasing. My overhead presses finally feel as if the weight i am pushing is starting to be where it should be. Blood Pressure has been back down to where it stays consistently. My sex drive is not as out of control as it was there for awhile and my balls are nice and plump again. I really wish i would have measured my neck size. I had to attend a funeral visitation lastnight and grabbed a shirt i hadn't worn in a couple months and i'll be dang if i couldn't button my top button. So, i ditched the tie and just went with a nice shirt. I just hadn't realized my neck had grown so much Diet 3700 Calories, 290 Protein, 415 Carbs, 103 Fats This is getting very hard maintaing this eating habit. Honestly, i don't even enjoy eating anymore. I am still maintaining a high calorie count but to be honest, i have been fudging more often on the foods i ingest. It has been tough maintaing the same foods over and over now for weeks on end. I am in serious need of some diversity. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 10 2005, 10:14 AM |
| PCT Day 8 Off Day PCT is now looking like this Nolva will be dropped from 40mg down to 20mg for week 2 Fuze i take 2 caps/3 times a day Fenugreek will remain at 1000mg/day Milk Thistle will stay at 1000mg Hawthorn Berry will remain at 1500mg I am including some DHEA around 300mg/day to try and get my sex drive jump started |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Nov 10 2005, 10:21 AM |
| Balls nice and plump eh? Mine are still little. I was getting tired of eating the same shit too. Until I found out what a little bit of pasta sauce and cheese can do. |
| Posted by: Robbo69 Nov 13 2005, 06:36 AM |
| Hi J1Q excellent log mate. Was wondering about your nolva, do you use divided dosages or do you take it all at once before bed? Keep up the excellent work, im sure you have inspired many people to work as hard as you in order to make great gains! |
| Posted by: Nabil54069 Nov 13 2005, 11:52 AM | ||
You'll get real big eating that Piazza, I just hope its not Kraft Dinner. |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Nov 13 2005, 12:36 PM | ||||
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| Posted by: Nabil54069 Nov 13 2005, 12:58 PM | ||||||
Ok theres a chicken breast in there. I thought it was just pasta and sauce. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 14 2005, 11:13 AM | ||
I divide it up when taking to 40mg. I took a dose in the morning and then one before i went to bed. Now that i am down to 20mg, i just take one 20mg dosing in the morning. Thank you for the compliments, they mean alot. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 14 2005, 11:31 AM |
| I haven't posted for the last few days because my wife has been out of town and i have been taking care of my 3 girls whom are ALL sick with the Flu. My youngest had 104 temp and the other two sound like they have the croup, and now my oldest has an ear ache. And to be real honest, i have felt a little unmotivated myself. I think the idea of eating is really getting to me. To be very honest, i am not sure i can go on eating 4500+ calories/day. I see food and i almost vomit. There are times when i'm eating for the 4th and 5th time of the day that i have to gag my food down. I just don't think i can eat in this excess any longer. And in trying to do so, the cleanliness of my food has slipped. I have been eating some crap foods such as potato chips and just junk. I will be weighing today to see where i stand. But as far as strength gains go, i haven't lost anything. If anything i have gained a little more strength through the course of PCT and lost a touch of motivation. So, this is the point in which i need YOU GUYS!! |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Nov 14 2005, 03:54 PM |
| Unless you want me to make fun of you for withering down to a shriveled little peanut, you better EAT and LIFT HARD!!! I want you to prove that gains made with the help of PH/PS is very much keepable, with the right PCT. So, kiss your girls on the head, tuck them in, and BANG out 100 fucking pushups, right now, soldier!!! Okay, enough of the tough talk (you are scared, aren't you?). |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 16 2005, 09:10 AM |
| PCT Day 14 Workout - Off Day Alright boys, here it is. After 2 weeks, to the day of PCT i have not lost a pound. I weighed this morning before work and i am still a solid 204lbs Some things that i have noticed the most throughout my PCT thus far is the fact that my strength still has continued to increase. From the end of my cycle now 2 weeks into PCT i have added another 10 pounds to my overall bench. I have lost a little muscle definition and simply look alot more full and filled out, but what do you expect. My Testies seem to be back to complete normality. Intensity levels in the gym, i have noticed are down a little from what they were while on cycle. So it's up to me mentally now to get myself prepared and pumped up or i simply need to grab a good preworkout Stim. Once my last week of PCT is done, i will be going down to maintenance for about 3-4 weeks and i will pick up my cardio and do that for those weeks and then i will pick my Caloric Intake back up and start putting some more size on. So overall, at the end of the second week of PCT i am very happy with the results of this cycle. Once again, even though i ended it at 3 weeks instead of 4 this has by far been the best cycle i have done. I believe if i were to ever do another cycle of SD i would only run it at 10mg/day and i would run it with another compound such as S1+, or something along those lines. |
| Posted by: DR X Nov 16 2005, 02:47 PM |
| Your results are great. To get your stamina back up in the gym you might need a change of routine to fuel the excitement. |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 16 2005, 04:58 PM | ||
Thanks X. I am really happy with the overall resaults as well. My body pretty much feels back to normal all but the motivation side of things and just getting really pumped up before my lifts. I'm certainly ready to let my body get back into a normal state and then start back up here in about 4 weeks. I'm really looking forward to March |
| Posted by: J1Q Nov 17 2005, 09:55 AM |
| PCT Day 15 Workout - Chest/Tri's Workout was good today. Nothing has really changed at all. Strength is still there. Everything is going smoothly. I have dropped my Nolve down to 10mg today and will run it at that until i stop PCT middle of next week. This thread will pretty much be coming to a close. I just hope it has inspired and helped educate others who may have read it. PEACE OUT |
| Posted by: fatguy Nov 17 2005, 10:18 AM |
| This was an excellent log. Congratulations on your gains, especially for keeping them. Please post again in a month with your stats. |