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Posted: Oct 15 2005, 02:27 PM
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during the last week of my SD cycle I found that taking a 30 minute nap in the afternoon or evening went a long way to combatting the early morning drag. good luck with the rest of your cycle! great log. love reading this stuff.

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QUOTE (J1Q @ Oct 15 2005, 12:54 PM)
The morning thing is new to me. That's why i'm not real concerned about it being the SD & S1+. I also splurged and ate 4 burritos lastnight before bed. So the high carbs could have dragged me down this morning as well.

Very possible, but ya gotta splurge sometimes biggrin.gif

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Posted: Oct 17 2005, 08:26 AM
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Day 7

Off Day. I spent the day watchign Baseball & Football. Did nothing other than rest.
Took a few naps on and off all day. It was nice not to have to do anything

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Posted: Oct 17 2005, 09:02 AM
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Day 8


Workout: Back/Bis

Well, i'd say the Superdrol is in full swing now. This mornings workout was well above average. I was up in weight on ALL my lifts. Strength and energy were there. Bi's felt rock hard and my back felt super pumped.

I am also seeing the beginning stages of the S1+/SD kicking in as well i believe. My balls have got a wee bit smaller in size. Nothing dramatic, but i can tell.

I weighed this morning. Scale said 191. Puts me up 3 pounds so far.

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Posted: Oct 17 2005, 02:07 PM
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you have nolva, right?

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QUOTE (J1Q @ Oct 17 2005, 10:02 AM)
Day 8


Workout: Back/Bis

Well, i'd say the Superdrol is in full swing now. This mornings workout was well above average. I was up in weight on ALL my lifts. Strength and energy were there. Bi's felt rock hard and my back felt super pumped.

I am also seeing the beginning stages of the S1+/SD kicking in as well i believe. My balls have got a wee bit smaller in size. Nothing dramatic, but i can tell.

I weighed this morning. Scale said 191. Puts me up 3 pounds so far.

Sounds good J1Q, keep up the hard work!

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Posted: Oct 18 2005, 08:22 AM
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Day 9

Workout - Shoulders

This mornings lift has been the best of the cycle so far. I was up 30lbs on my Overhead Presses. I felt like a complete animal through every lift and every rep. Energy was amazing, and strength as i said is really looking good.
I would like to report that my sex drive is through the roof as well. I can't get enough. My wife is loving it. One other thing i would like to report as well i the slight aggression i have been feeling. The past few days i just seem to always be in a mood. Like i would do any chick walking by or fight any guy that smarts off. Kinda of weird because i'm not generally like that. And to be honest i don't remember feeling like this just taking the S1+ or just the Superdrol on those cycles.
There was one guy at the gym this morning and he hadn't seen me lifting in several months and came over to me and said man you're really progressing along nicely. So that helped boost my confidence as well. All in all, it's been a great start of the day.

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Posted: Oct 18 2005, 03:43 PM
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The answer to your question on why you are feeling so aggressive lies in the binding of these steroid analogs to receptors within the brain.

First off, stress and agression have been shown to reinforce one another:

Stress And Aggression Reinforce
Each Other At The Biological Level
WASHINGTON -- Scientists may be learning why it's so hard to stop the cycle of violence. The answer may lie in the nervous system. There appears to be a fast, mutual, positive feedback loop between stress hormones and a brain-based aggression-control center in rats, whose neurophysiology is similar to ours. It may explain why, under stress, humans are so quick to lash out and find it hard to cool down. The findings, which could point to better ways to prevent pathological violence, appear in the October issue of Behavioral Neuroscience, which is published by the American Psychological Association (APA).

In five experiments using 53 male rats, behavioral neuroscientists from the Netherlands and Hungary studied whether stimulating the brain's aggression mechanism raised blood levels of a stress hormone and whether higher levels of the same hormone led to the kind of aggression elicited by that mechanism. The results showed a fast-acting feedback loop; the mechanism works in both directions and raising one variable raises the other. Thus, stress and aggression may be mutually reinforcing, which could explain not only why something like the stress of traffic jams leads to road rage, but also why raging triggers an ongoing stress reaction that makes it hard to stop.

In the study, the scientists electrically stimulated an aggression-related part of the rat hypothalamus, a mid-brain area associated with emotion. The rats suddenly released the stress hormone corticosterone (very like cortisol, which humans release under stress) -- even without another rat present. Normally, rats don't respond like that unless they face an opponent or another severe stressor.

Says lead author Menno Kruk, PhD, "It is well known that these stress hormones, in part by mobilizing energy reserves, prepare the physiology of the body to fight or flee during stress. Now it appears that the very same hormones 'talk back' to the brain in order to facilitate fighting."

To study the hypothesized feedback loop from the other direction, the scientists removed the rats' adrenal glands to prevent any natural release of corticosterone. Then researchers injected the rats with corticosterone. Within minutes of injection, the hormone facilitated stimulation-evoked attack behavior.

Thus, in rapid order, stimulating the hypothalamic attack area led to higher stress hormones and higher stress hormones led to aggression – evidence of the feedback loop within a single conflict. Write the authors, "Such a mutual facilitation may contribute to the precipitation and escalation of violent behavior under stressful conditions."

They add that the resulting vicious cycle "would explain why aggressive behavior escalates so easily and is so difficult to stop once it has started, especially because corticosteroids rapidly pass through the blood-brain barrier." The findings suggest that even when stress hormones spike for reasons not related to fighting, they may lower attack thresholds enough to precipitate violent behavior. That argument, if extended in research to humans, could ultimately explain on the biological level why a bad day at the office could prime someone for nighttime violence toward family members.

It is speculated that the findings may help also to explain why people who are not typically violent become violent in settings previously associated with aggression: Their stress hormones rise, facilitating the onset of aggression and making them more likely to become violent in seemingly benign settings. The adrenocortical (hormonal) and hypothalamic (aggressive) responses are ancient, inbred and found across many mammalian species including rats, cats and monkeys. As a result, scientists cannot help but wonder whether the stress-aggression feedback loop could well operate in the real world, not just the lab, and – most importantly -- in humans. Further study is clearly required.

The authors comment that their findings, if extended, could explain why "the adrenocortical stress response that accompanies conflict may effectively cancel out the effect of therapies intended to reduce violent behavior. Regulation of the stress response may offer a novel approach to the understanding and control of violent behavior." They speculate that medications, perhaps as-yet undeveloped anxiety-reducers that regulate the stress response, might conceivably help to lower acute stress-precipitated violence.

Article: "Fast Positive Feedback Between the Adrenocortical Stress Response and a Brain Mechanism Involved in Aggressive Behavior;" Menno R. Kruk, W. Meelis, J. Halász,and J. Haller. Behavioral Neuroscience, Vol. 118, No. 5.

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You may remember that I wrote a discussion on the neurochemistry of exogenous steroids. Here are a few of many recently published articles that point to the neurochemical shift when exogenous steroids are used that alter neurotransmitter activity in brain.

Neurosteroids, GABAA receptors, and escalated aggressive behavior. Miczek KA, Fish EW, De Bold JF. Horm Behav. 44(3):242-57 (2003).

Aggressive behavior can serve important adaptive functions in social species. However, if it exceeds the species-typical pattern, it may become maladaptive. Very high or escalated levels of aggressive behavior can be induced in laboratory rodents by pharmacological (alcohol-heightened aggression), environmental (social instigation), or behavioral (frustration-induced aggression) means. These various forms of escalated aggressive behavior may be useful in further elucidating the neurochemical control over aggression and violence.

One neurochemical system most consistently linked with escalated aggression is the GABAergic system, in conjunction with other amines and peptides. Although direct stimulation of GABA receptors generally suppresses aggression, a number of studies have found that positive allosteric modulators of GABAA receptors can cause increases in aggressive behavior. For example, alcohol, benzodiazepines, and many neurosteroids are all positive modulators of the GABAA receptor and all can cause increased levels of aggressive behavior. These effects are dose-dependent and higher doses of these compounds generally shift from heightening aggressive behavior to being sedative and anti-aggressive. In addition, these modulators interact with each other and can have additive effects on the GABAA receptor and on behavior, including aggression. The GABAA receptor is a heteropentameric protein that can be constituted from various subunits. It has been shown that subunit composition can affect sensitivity of the receptor to some modulators and that subunit composition differentially affects the sedative vs anxiolytic actions of benzodiazepines. Initial studies targeting alpha subunits of the GABAA receptor point to their significant role in the aggression-heightening effects of alcohol, benzodiazepines, and neurosteroids.

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Aggression in male rats receiving anabolic androgenic steroids: effects of social and environmental provocation. Breuer ME, McGinnis MY, Lumia AR, Possidente BP. Horm Behav 40(3):409-18 (2001).

ABSTRACT

This study examined the effects of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) on aggression under different social and environmental conditions. Three AAS were tested in gonadally intact male rats: testosterone propionate (TP), nandrolone (ND), and stanozolol (ST). Doses of 5 mg/kg were given 5 times/week, with gonadally intact controls receiving vehicle only (propylene glycol). Animals received six weekly tests under each condition in a counterbalanced order. Results show that the three AAS differed in their ability to elicit aggression. Males receiving TP were more aggressive than controls, ND males were similar to controls, and ST males were less aggressive than controls.

In the social and environmental provocation tests TP-treated males were more aggressive than other groups, but were able to discriminate between intact and castrated opponents and between their home cage and a neutral cage. In the environmental provocation test, TP males were also more aggressive against opponents when tested in the opponent's home cage. It is suggested that chronic exposure to high levels of TP does not eliminate the ability to discriminate between social or environmental cues, as might be expected if it induces a " 'roid rage." However, TP does increase the likelihood that the animal will respond with aggression/dominance in a provoking situation. All three AAS variably affected serum testosterone and LH levels, as well as testes, seminal vesicle, and prostate weights. No effect on body weight was observed.
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This study obviously has everything to do with you J1Q biggrin.gif

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You know, i figured someone was going to have something like that to say laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Given that they slaughtered the test animals at the end of the study, and took out their sex innards to weigh and for anatomical dissection comparisons among controls and treated animals - it couldn't have been done to humans.

The responses between humans and rat models is close enough to support the results of other studies done on the neurochemical effects of AAS steroid analogs on behavior.

By the way, Hardgainer, I am working on your milk thistle/liver thread...

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Day 9

Today is my off day. I always cut my carbs and calories down a little on my off days. I get my cardio in on these days. Cardio today will consist of:

20 minutes treadmill
20 minutes jumprope
10 minutes stepper

I have nothing negetive to report. Cycle is going better than i could have hoped for. Strength is up in everything. Weight i going on nicely as well. I seem to be adding my Mass in all the places i had hoped for and less in my gut. That is exactly what i was aiming for. I would like to still be in my 32's by the time i hit my mark of 205-210lbs. Whether i am able to do that is still to be determined.


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QUOTE (J1Q @ Oct 19 2005, 12:15 PM)
I would like to still be in my 32's by the time i hit my mark of 205-210lbs.

You and your 32's. dry.gif

I'm fittin' in 34's @ 220 lbs. But, hopefully, by the time Thanksgiving comes around, I'll be in 33's.

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Nice log. I'm sure I'll be asking you some questions about my possible SD run.

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I'm fittin' in 34's @ 220 lbs. But, hopefully, by the time Thanksgiving comes around, I'll be in 33's


Are you kidding me. I NEVER would have guessed that, NEVER ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
When i saw you at the Ballpark, i would have bet my paycheck you were not over a 32.
Shakes, you my friend hold your weight better than anyone i've seen.


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More than happy to help. wink.gif

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Posted: Oct 19 2005, 12:24 PM
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Jay -

Are you doing these cardio workouts all at once?

You might see less muscle burning and more fat loss if you partition them out, one early morning, one mid day and one later in the afternoon / early evening.

You can do the jump rope outside, with your kids. laugh.gif Then you're still at home with family in the evenings.


If you get can get a good interval workout for each set, you will push your BMR longer without sacrificing new muscle for energy as you would in one protracted workout.

Just a thought.

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trouble, thats a great thought. I had planned on doing them all at once, but now that you mention it, i think i will split them up throughout my day.

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I guess so far the 2 main things i have to report on is my Sex Drive & my state of mind. Sex Drive is absolutely through the roof. I know it was elevated on my last S1+ Cycle, but i don't recall it being anywhere near this level. I feel as if i could go all day long at any time.

And my state of mind is more so on the aggressive side this time around as well. Could be due to the fact that i'm running both the SD/S1+. And i have to say as trouble stated and she knows a little about my recent history and level of stress. I am also putting some of it on my stress levels. Last time i was on cycle i had the usual stress. This time around, there have been some situations going on that simply have me on edge. So i attribute some of it to that as well. I seem to be in a constant state of ATTITUDE. A feeling of i could give a shit less what anyone else thinks.

One more thing i would like to report on as well is that i have had NO joint pain what so ever. And i actually haven't been taking anything for it either as my Glucosamine ran out a few weeks ago.

Hopefully, this is informative for others.

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Lookin real good so far j, I dont know how you can drop down your carbs on your off days, I would sleep all day.


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Given that they slaughtered the test animals at the end of the study, and took out their sex innards to weigh and for anatomical dissection comparisons among controls and treated animals - it couldn't have been done to humans.

The responses between humans and rat models is close enough to support the results of other studies done on the neurochemical effects of AAS steroid analogs on behavior.

By the way, Hardgainer, I am working on your milk thistle/liver thread...


two things trouble, one, you always respond so seriously when I'm kidding ... come on, i'm kinda funny sometimes right?

two, I think you may have me confused with the other guy named hardgainer (without the 81). I dont care about my liver laugh.gif

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Yeah, I knew you were kidding, Hardainer.

I get concerned when see the odd comment here and there about the supposed lack of validity for drawing conclusions for human systems from whole animal models (particularly rat). Having conducted research using rat models for adrenal function early on, and later, diabetes, it can be irksome to hear snide comments from the uniformed (not yours, others posted here in this forum and elsewhere) about these animal model studies and their applicability to the human condition.

And yes, you are indeed correct, I confused you with Hardgain. My apologies for the misidentity.

And yes, you have a wicked sense of humor. Also a heart of gold.

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