fatburner dilemma

Mike, I just finished a bottle of the MRM fat burner, and liked it for a non stimulant (besides caffeine) and cost efficient fat burner. No energy increases though. Also, I just got some xenedrine NRG in and will let people know about it in comparison. On a side note, I am excited to try out ON new product, ADENRGY....

I don't wanna' get into a scrap over this, but I gotta' seriously disagree with you about the inclusion of that much tyrosine in a thermogenic stack.


Okay, so l-tyrosine, when ingested is going to convert to adrenaline, noradrenaline (NE/NA) & dopamine (DA), giving you a stimulant effect & elevating most metabolic processes. Now, granted, while this seems like a good idea in practice, I think this could potentially be harmful if used longterm. The reasoning is that, since a healthy % of that l-tyrosine is converting to DA, which is subsequently going to end up succumbing to free-radical oxidation, this scenario sets up a definite penchant for a degree of neurodegeneration if abused due to the cytotoxic set-up of 1. A bunch of L-tyrosine running around + 2. oxidative stress from continual exercise/physical exertion.

I have no problem with 3g of Tyrosine being used, say 3xWeek or something, but using 5-10g/ED for a month or two consecutively kinda' worries me...

And-- to be perfectly honest-- there are a LOT of goodies one can add to a stack of this sort....

Loki, I too am shying away form ECA, but my reasons are for elevated blood pressure. I have found that the syntrax stack of high dose Beta 3 (900-1000 mg day), 4 mm4 and 4 guggle extreme really does the trick, without too much CNS stimulation

Cost aside, would you choose:

1. Mtaburn+ E/C

or

2. Hot rox+E/C+ Lipo EF

A good deal. It's one of the better Ephedra-free products out there, but I just can't see you getting great results just using that along for a cutting cycle. I think the ingredient profile makes it an excellent addition in stacks (since it's hard to find a good oral combination of synephrine, tyramine, & hordenine), and I'm sure it will boost a good diet & training program somewhat, but I'd guesstimate it would improve a diet's results by-- at best-- 5% or so.

What is it about this product that makes it look like it might be effective? It seems to have a few ingredients that others don't have. It's been out for some time now but there hasn't been all that much talk about it.

I believe so, though I am not 100% certain on what is not allowed there.

Anything to update us on with this new product? Sounds promising so far.

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yeah but it says on the tight bottle not to stack tight with ephedrine or ephedra.

isn't this dangerous?

It increases the likelihood of a negative reaction, yes.

For those unaware, info is up and H.E.A.T. Stack is for sale as a beta.

Feedback for 6-7 people that helped test it, originally, can be found in the Pimpology section of our latest issue.

A bit more on my experience with it, the last week or so:

Can't yet assess fat loss, but 3 capsules absolutely kills my appetite. I have ZERO desire for food -- even to the point that my brain wants glucose and my stomach is empty, but I still have to force down food (and, I am not one to need to force down food).

Even if I smoke grass, when I use H.E.A.T., I don't just not get the munchies -- I still have no desire for food. And, I generally get munchies like the fattest of fat people you could imagine.

The only other things I have used that produce this state are coke and ecstasy. I can control my appetite on EC and weed, but I do have to work to control it -- not so with this.

It is much less physically stimulating than EC for me. EC gets me very jittery and such. This is very stimulating mentally, but I do not notice so much as an increase in heart rate, unless I work out.

Have noticed no unpleasant crashes. I crash hard with EC -- actually crash the hardest with just caffeine -- adding E actually helps me some.

On paper, it should be better than EC, for fat loss, especially long-term. Hopefully, this will carry out in the real world (90% of the battle is reducing food intake though) -- in any case, I am feeling extremely good about it, so far.