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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 03:32 PM
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the price of a barrel is now 65$

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 03:36 PM
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What a bunch of bullshit. Pisses me off. Someone's getting rich.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Aug 10 2005, 01:36 PM)
What a bunch of bullshit. Pisses me off. Someone's getting rich.

What’s wrong with someone getting rich?
I assume you would like to get rich?

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 05:18 PM
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Where oil prices related only to fuel prices, I might not be so worried.

But, most goods we consume are produced, packaged, and otherwise bear the manufacturing and tranportation stamp of petroleum-drived chemicals.

This jump in cost will dramatically affect the cost of living for us all.

It is no mere nuisance. It is the progenitor of a dramatic shift in raw materials consumption, manufacturing practice, and consumerism paradigms in the future.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 05:20 PM
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Is there any hope of prices returning where they were 2 years ago?
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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 05:43 PM
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I assume you would like to get rich?

At the direct detriment of millions of people? That would be a big fat FUCK NO.

I'm so not defending the oil companies but does higher gas prices really change your life style?
I do admire your convictions tho. I myself have given up the opportunity to make money at the expense of others. Just doesn’t seem right.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 05:46 PM
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I believe that threshold has already been broken my friend. We'll never see those prices again. sad.gif

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 05:50 PM
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hydrogen here we come....

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 05:53 PM
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Reason why I even ask is that I did som ereading and saw that gas prices did this same thing in the early 80's I think it was but I dont remember why and things went back to normal after that. I just dont understand why the hell exactly oil has gone up so much.
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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (DR X @ Aug 10 2005, 06:43 PM)
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I assume you would like to get rich?

At the direct detriment of millions of people? That would be a big fat FUCK NO.

I'm so not defending the oil companies but does higher gas prices really change your life style?
I do admire your convictions tho. I myself have given up the opportunity to make money at the expense of others. Just doesn’t seem right.

I don't know what you do for a living but it sounds like you have money coming out your asshole. These high oil prices will affect millions of people. Maybe you live in Florida or California but for those that live where it actually gets cold in the winter it will matter.

Not to mention what trouble said about it affecting almost all consumer goods. It takes gas to deliver goods as an example.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (Speakle @ Aug 10 2005, 05:53 PM)
Reason why I even ask is that I did som ereading and saw that gas prices did this same thing in the early 80's I think it was but I dont remember why and things went back to normal after that. I just  dont understand why the hell exactly oil has gone up so much.

oil went up in the 80s due to a supply side issue (problems in Iran and with OPEC). After that was settled, prices went back down.

This time, they are not ever going to come down, and will continue climbing. I wouldnt be surprised if we saw $3 gas by mid 2006, and then up to $4 by 2010.

Reasons the prices are going up:
-Inflation
-War in Iraq, supply safety issues and less than maximal investment there
-Exponentially increasing world demand for oil/energy, particularly from china and india. They have just begun to industrialize/modernize, and they will be growing exponentially for quite a long while. More demand = higher prices (econ 101). Demand is also growing exponentially in the rest of the industrialized world, as electronics proliferate and populations increase.
-Lack of possible exponential supply: it is impossible to increase the supply of oil exponentially. While there is a good amount of oil left in the world, it becomes exceedingly more expensive for oil companies to explore new fields, and especially to get oil out of existing fields at a faster rate. This amounts to a slowly growing linear supply of oil to face a rapidly expanding exponential demand for oil.

The main reason is world demand. I would plan long-term around gasoline (and natural gas along the same lines) being $5-6 a gallon, i.e., live closer to your job if possible, buy a more fuel efficient vehicle, etc.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 06:22 PM
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$3 gas by 2006? We're pretty much there. I've already seen $2.80 here where I live in NJ. And NJ gas prices are among the lowest in the country. I imagine prices being higher in CA and the midwest.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Aug 10 2005, 06:22 PM)
$3 gas by 2006? We're pretty much there. I've already seen $2.80 here where I live in NJ. And NJ gas prices are among the lowest in the country. I imagine prices being higher in CA and the midwest.

2.80 in NJ? I saw 2.35 on the turnpike 2 or 3 weeks ago.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 06:57 PM
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$3 gas by 2006? We're pretty much there. I've already seen $2.80 here where I live in NJ.  And NJ gas prices are among the lowest in the country. I imagine prices being higher in CA and the midwest.

2.80 in NJ? I saw 2.35 on the turnpike 2 or 3 weeks ago.

2 or 3 weeks ago is the key statement.

A couple of stations like to rip people off around here. Those are the ones that have 2.79 for super. Not counting the cheap gas stations that serve up water, the prices here range from 2.50's-2.70's for regular through super. That's based upon my observations yesterday and today.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 07:03 PM
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Something really needs to be done, there is no damn reason why gas should have skyrocketed the way it did. It has been slowly increasing every year forever but in the last 18 months it has doubled. WHile I do believe that everyone will find a way(hopefully) this is eventually going to cause a major problem. If gas hits5 and 6 bucks a gallon everything else is going to be so damn expensive no one will be able to afford anything or be able to drive to go get the stuff they can no longer afford.
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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 07:08 PM
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gas here in houston for reg is about 2.20 and supreme is about 2.47
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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 07:09 PM
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What if they had a gas tax or reduction at the pump? Of course this would cost a lot of money to implement at first because of the new technology but here it is.

You would enter the type of vehicle that is going to fill up, SUV, compact, hybrid, etc. For an SUV or very large vehicle it would add let's say 20-30 cents a gallon to the price already there. For a compact or hybrid it would reduce the price by about 25 cents per gallon. There would be many in betweens but that's just an example.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 07:46 PM
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If they would allow us to build new plants in this country and change the laws so we can refine 2 fuel types and not 98 it would be alot cheaper. thanks to the eco nuts. And how about allowing us to drill in anwar or off shore. So do we want to continue to be owned by foriegn oil. Heck, Mexico wants to give us free oil if we would refine and give them half. And yes I am familar of the effect gas has on everything else. Not to mention products that use protorolium to produce. Here in Ca. we are in the high 2's and up to 3.00 for the good stuff. I just saw 3.09 for diesel.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Aug 10 2005, 07:09 PM)
What if they had a gas tax or reduction at the pump? Of course this would cost a lot of money to implement at first because of the new technology but here it is.

You would enter the type of vehicle that is going to fill up, SUV, compact, hybrid, etc. For an SUV or very large vehicle it would add let's say 20-30 cents a gallon to the price already there. For a compact or hybrid it would reduce the price by about 25 cents per gallon. There would be many in betweens but that's just an example.

A simpler solution would be to tax the purchase of SUVs, or give credits to cars with better fuel milage. The latter is being considered, and I beleive was just implemented into law on a small-scale with Bush signing his energy bill.

We need to create market-based incentives to converse power and gasoline, and they need to be drastic/quick. I am not saying that will solve the problem, only that it can only help. If no strong action is taken, barring a technological miracle, this situation we find ourselves in has only one eventual logical consequence: severe, destructive, worldwide depression like the world has never seen within the next 3-4 decades.

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Posted: Aug 10 2005, 08:07 PM
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I drive a v-8 and will be pulling a 2500-3000lb trailer daily in the future so F the fuel tax credit. I have to drive and have to do it a lot. I am spending 80-90 bucks a damn week now.
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