Is phenibut addictive ? |
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| Posted by: Ommm Apr 23 2004, 04:18 AM |
| Hmm i see that phenibut acts similar to benzodiazepines, so comes my question - is it addictive ? does the suggested dose become uneffective after constant use? please answer... |
| Posted by: shpongled Apr 24 2004, 01:55 PM |
| Yes, tolerance develops, which is why I wouldn't recommend using it for more than two weeks straight without taking an equivalent amount of time off. Nobody has yet reported problems with reliance on it, or with use of progressively increasing doses. I didn't see any references to addiction in the literature. So if it is a concern, I doubt it would be a major one. |
| Posted by: Ommm Apr 24 2004, 05:19 PM |
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| Posted by: Ommm Apr 24 2004, 05:21 PM |
| btw - forgive me my poor english.. hope, you understand what i mean;) |
| Posted by: shpongled Apr 25 2004, 02:06 PM | ||
Yeah, phenibut probably won't work as well if you are already taking benzo's. If you take some time off, your tolerance will go down. I'm not sure the mechanism of the tolerance. I'm not sure what the mechanism for benzo tolerance is either. Probably GABA downregulation or decreased receptor sensitivity. Either way, you are bound to get some sort of withdrawal symptoms upon discontinuation of use, and if you are using high doses, you should decrease dosage gradually. |
| Posted by: Ommm Apr 25 2004, 02:25 PM |
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| Posted by: shpongled Apr 25 2004, 02:44 PM |
| Phenibut does have effects at BZD receptors but they are not well-defined. Unfortunately most of the research on the mechanism of action of phenibut took place when we had much less knowledge of the brain than we do nw. It is definitely a good replacement for benzodiazepines. It will not be as strong. However you will have much less to worry about in terms of addiction and negative side effects. Be careful and don't take the two at the same time though. |
| Posted by: Cyrix Apr 27 2004, 06:19 AM |
| Well, let me tell you, I was one of those poor souls who got addicted to GHB/GBL. I started out using expensive "Renewtrient" products because I was looking for a sleep aid and growth hormone releaser. Of course, I ended up with an addiction to the mellow/euphoric "high" that these products provided. The real problem started when I bought 10 gallons of bulk GBL from an Internet supplier. Suddenly I had a seemingly endless supply of GBL on hand. Eventually my dosing went to every 3 hours... 24/7. GBL was drowning me. I finally kicked the habit, but it wasn't easy. Anyway, I rambled on about all of that so I could tell you this: Phenibut is not highly addictive. At the most it is mildly addictive. I don't think the phenibut "high" is extreme enough to hook you into a degenerative addiction. That's my experience. Hope it helps. |
| Posted by: Ommm Apr 27 2004, 06:47 AM |
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| Posted by: lancelot Apr 27 2004, 11:56 AM | ||
you lucky dog. |
| Posted by: Ben Giessinger May 2 2004, 11:04 AM |
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| Posted by: Ommm May 2 2004, 12:15 PM |
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| Posted by: playthegame Jul 15 2004, 09:33 AM |
| This may be a stupid question to some, but I always worry about things new going into my body. Is there anything in this stuff to show up on a drug test, such as they would give at an employeer? Just wondering, since it has such a calming affect if it could show up as some type of narcotic or pain medicine, etc, such as how ephedrine, at high doses, can show as an amphetomine (sp.)! |
| Posted by: rrgg Jul 15 2004, 10:06 AM |
| Is there some bodybuilding benefit you guys are seeing from phenibut? Or is it purely for increased feelings of euphoria? |
| Posted by: lancelot Jul 15 2004, 11:23 AM | ||
great, you get to pick up another addiction-benzo's. pharm's are $genius$ |
| Posted by: lancelot Jul 15 2004, 11:24 AM | ||
no bb benefits. no euphoria, just a little relaxation. |
| Posted by: playthegame Jul 19 2004, 10:39 AM | ||
Bump? |
| Posted by: Caleb Stone Jul 21 2004, 02:56 PM |
| A few people at our board (including myself), have noticed a great deal of trouble sleeping for a few days to a week, after using it several times per day for a week or two. Can't recall anyone with problems who just used it once per night at moderate dosing (less than 1g) |
| Posted by: BlaseDeviant Jul 28 2004, 02:37 AM |
| What about mixing phenibut and valerian? |
| Posted by: Ramiro29833 Jul 28 2004, 06:00 PM |
| Phenibut is more for relaxation, I wouldn't take it for preworkout it will make you feel tire and your mind wonder off.I now because I just tried it 2 time's for my preworkout and couldn't concetrate at all.But does anyone now of something that would help me cocentrate. |
| Posted by: Got Trip? Sep 13 2004, 03:14 AM | ||
[QUOTE] If you wanted something to increase mental focus for ur WO; piracetam, aniracetam, ALCAR, and Tyrosine would all be feasible options. |
| Posted by: Got Trip? Sep 13 2004, 06:13 AM |
| To elaborate; the -acetams are effective for increasing concentration/cognition. If you wanted something to increase WO intensity the ALCAR and/or Tyrosine would be more suiting. |
| Posted by: rrgg Sep 13 2004, 07:39 AM |
| How much alcar are you guys taking for WO intensity? |
| Posted by: Debaser Sep 13 2004, 08:55 AM | ||
I take a whole teaspoon 45 mins before workout. I believe thats 2.4grams, which is probably overkill, but until someone tells me otherwise I wont change that :-) |
| Posted by: Jason22241 May 23 2005, 09:18 AM |
| Phenibut is slightly addictive, and I know know this from experience. I use Phenibut daily as a social anxiety solution. Recently I took a 3 day trip for work, and left the Phenibut at home. On day 2 I was fatigued, feverish, and could not sleep at all (I woke up every 10 minutes all night long), and day 3 the same thing. No question withdrawl symptoms. I couldn't wait for the trip to be over. Within 1 hour of taking 2 grams of Phenibut upon returning home, all of my symptoms were gone. Now you may ask....well how do you know your weren't just fighting off the flu or something?? Well take it from someone that was addicted to tramadol a year ago......believe me I know withdrawl symptoms. I would simple suggest to taper down doses when going off of Phenibut and you won't have a problem. I did the same with Tramadol and Vicodin and it works fine. If you have been using it long term, I wouldn't suggest wuiting 'cold turkey'. |
| Posted by: Chris121631 Apr 1 2007, 10:14 AM |
| I take 6 Cap fulls of BN's Phenibut every Sunday (as it's my day off work) and love it, You can really tell the lack of Norepinephrine in the brain. Unbeleivably fun shit  |
| Posted by: Moyer Apr 2 2007, 06:04 PM |
| I've got SNS brand, but BN's stuff should be good too. This isn't something I "recommend", but 1-2g Phenibut + 10g Glutamine taken before a night out makes consuming alcohol a lot more enjoyable for me. I don't need to drink nearly as much to have a good time so I feel better in the morning. I haven't noticed any side effects, but I don't go over 2.5g and I only use it 2-3 times a month. I've heard it can cause hangovers at higher dosages and some people build tolerance to it very easily (why I use it sparingly). |
| Posted by: Chris121631 Apr 9 2007, 06:46 PM |
| Phenibut imo isn't addictive because if you take it consecutively for several days in a row the effects on subsequent days are lesser and lesser leading to a complete non-desirable effect. Phenibut completely stops the release of stress related fight or flight hormone nor-epinephrine, (The crappy somewhat paranoid feeling you get if you go through a large pot-smoking binge is the best way to describe nor-ep) I take Phenibut every sunday and get maximum euphoric effects, it is great to take during exams because it completly eliminates stress allowing you to focus on subject matter. If your confronting an almost intimidating social occasion with a lot of extroverts Phenibut will make you dominate. If your looking for an awesome one-off (I am emphasising one-off) high stack it with ergopharm amp. I have purchased around 9 seperate items from BN and have only gone back (so far) for phenibut, I honestly beleive if this shit was used properly it could change the world (Along with Rhodiola Rosea) |
| Posted by: Dave876 Apr 11 2007, 12:21 PM |
| I've been on/"addicted" to benzos for ~5 years now...I bought some phenibut to see if I could use it as a replacment for benzos and then ween myself off of them and just use phenibut for the effects...Some people say this stuff works,but if you already have a benzo habit then this stuff wont do sh*t for you... |
| Posted by: wayne80332 Apr 11 2007, 04:55 PM |
| I believe phenibut is addictive. Every time i've overdosed on phenibut my anxiety levels rise afterwords and last awhile. sometimes I wonder if it has caused any parmenent issues. I haven't used it in awhile but I think its about that time again to try it. smaller doses spread out this time. I've never done pills in my life so to me phenibut was extemely euphoric first couple times. Are there more natural benzo like effect herbs or supplements out there? what about bacopa? |
| Posted by: Muzikizum Oct 1 2007, 05:57 PM |
| Firstly any substance can be addictive,Physical or Psychological but of course not all are harmful and give you withdrawal when you decide to stop using.From my experience Phenibut can and will cause physical addiction if you use it on a daily basis.And like all GABAergic drugs (Benzo's,Alcohol,GBL etc) it will cause you to have withdrawal if you stop suddenly.I have experienced withdrawal from Phenibut first hand so i urge everyone who tries this stuff to be very cautious and to do some reserch into its addictive properties before you try it.I took between 1.5g/2.5g daily for 8-10 days doseing every 24 hours.The first night i stopped i was unable to sleep then the following day my anxiety levels rose to a near panic state and my hands would sweat non stop.It felt very similar to GBL withdrawal only it lasts much longer,iam a week on and i still havnt got back to sleeping right maybe 5 hours of light dreamy sleep a night and there is still some anxiety left.It seems that Phenibut could still be very useful to me in times of stress or insomnia but i now realise this substance should only be used at a maximum of 2 times per week with 3 days in between doses.Anything beyond that will no doubt lead you into trouble.I hope my experience will be of help to anyone who reads this.Be safe. |