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> The Ultimate Malate Stack: Body Octane + Nitrous +, citrulline,diarginine,dicreatine malate
Posted: Apr 11 2004, 08:55 AM
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Next week will mark the beginning of my new stack: Di-creatine malate (SAN V-12) + di-arginine malate (Syntrax Nitrous) + citrulline malate (MAN Body Octane). Why? Because I am a sucker for "themed" stacks and there are already a few threads reviewing Syntrax Nitrous, which I already have. I broke the bank for this trifecto, but I have high hopes for it. Perhaps if it works, other sub-21 lifters will at least consider it before jumping onto the prohormone train.

I chose V-12 over my usual Swole V.2 for 2 reasons: 1) it is on sale right now as SAN is prepping to release V-12 Turbocharged, and 2) it contains AAKG. I am aware that AKG and malic acid are both Krebs cycle intermediates, and Joey from SAN postulated that there may be a synergistic benefit to combining them.

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Posted: Apr 11 2004, 08:56 AM
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My workout schedule for the cycle. On nearly all lifts, especially compound lifts, I aim for 6-9 reps, typically with the negative 1.5 to 2 times as long as the positive portion of the exercise. I do not necessarily do all of the exercises listed or for the number of sets listed. This is more of a "general" sheet and once I get in the gym I tinker with it to add a little variety. I may go one less set on something or drop an exercise entirely if I am really feeling like going at 110% intensity with less volume. On squats, I have had success in the past doing a first set rest-pause style for 20. I love that feeling of burning and quivering legs for the last 7 or so reps. From what I have read about citrulline malate, it may help to really increase my performance on this set in particular.

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Posted: Apr 11 2004, 08:59 AM
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To make this log a little more personal, here's what I listen to before hitting the weights. All hip-hop. I don't deny that metal can really get your adrenaline pumping, but I'm a rap fan, and these tracks fire me up even at 5:45 am. To make the list, a track has to be aggressive, rhythmic, and haunting. This style of rap seemed to be prominent from 1994-1998 or so; the earlier stuff tends to sound more experimental, stripped down, and funky (it definitely still has its place) and a lot of the newer stuff is just whack. I am always looking for new tracks to add, so feel free to toss out ideas or PM me.

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Posted: Apr 11 2004, 09:00 AM
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Diet: the foundation of any successful bodybuilder's lifestyle. Listed below is my typical weekday diet. I do not keep a food log/count calories; rather, I use the mirror and the scale as means of monitoring and adjusting my caloric intake and carb/protein/fats split.

530 am - preworkout
3 scoops Nitrojet*
15 grams dextrose
15 grams sucrose
1 scoop Syntrax Nectar

*I am nearly out of Nitrojet. During the stack I will replace NJ with Body Octane + Nitrous + V-12.

6 am - during workout
4 scoops ICE

7 am - post workout
2 scoops Dymatize Elite Whey
40 grams dextrose

9 am - morning meal
1 cup cooked oats flavored with cinnamon+1/2 scoop whey
1 tbsp natural peanut butter
1 can tuna, drained and washed with water
1 Diet Pepsi

12 pm - lunchtime
Large salad with chicken or ham/turkey/egg + carrots, green peppers
1 whole wheat bagel
1.5 scoops whey

230 pm - midday meal
1 can tuna
1/2 cup oatmeal flavored with 1/2 scoop whey + 1/2 banana, or
1 cup oatmeal flavored with 1/2 scoop whey

530 pm - dinnertime
2 skinless chicken breasts or 1 chicken breast + broiled catfish
1 cup broccoli, cooked
1/2 cup carrots or green beans
3/4 cup brown rice topped with vegetarian chili
12 oz. skim milk

9 pm - bedtime meal
12 oz skim milk
1.5 scoops milk protein isolate
2 tbsp natual peanut butter

I also consume 1.25-1.5 gallons of water per day. If I happen to wake up in the middle of the night between 1 and 2 am, I usually consume an additional scoop of whey.

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Posted: Apr 11 2004, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE (GhostfaceKillah @ Apr 11 2004, 08:56 AM)
My workout schedule for the cycle. On nearly all lifts, especially compound lifts, I aim for 6-9 reps, typically with the negative 1.5 to 2 times as long as the positive portion of the exercise. I do not necessarily do all of the exercises listed or for the number of sets listed. This is more of a "general" sheet and once I get in the gym I tinker with it to add a little variety. I may go one less set on something or drop an exercise entirely if I am really feeling like going at 110% intensity with less volume. On squats, I have had success in the past doing a first set rest-pause style for 20. I love that feeling of burning and quivering legs for the last 7 or so reps. From what I have read about citrulline malate, it may help to really increase my performance on this set in particular.

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In terms of your program, I do not think u are giving adequate rest for some of the major muscle groups:

u are working delts with chest both directly and through indirect stimulation,,,, you are working rear delts monday with back the next day, and bis the day after back unsure.gif

I used to run into this problem and finally came up witha split that works pretty well for me:
M: chest, abs, calves, cardio
T: back, traps, cardio
W: legs, calves, abs
TH: shoulders, traps, abs
F: arms, cardio, calves

the only overlapping/lack of rest issue here is with supporting weight acorss the traps for squats and doing tris after shoulder pressing movememtns from the day b4; however, I typicall ydo not try to extend on the presses to bring the tris into play too much


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Posted: Apr 11 2004, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE (Max32 @ Apr 11 2004, 12:33 PM)
QUOTE (GhostfaceKillah @ Apr 11 2004, 08:56 AM)
My workout schedule for the cycle. On nearly all lifts, especially compound lifts, I aim for 6-9 reps, typically with the negative 1.5 to 2 times as long as the positive portion of the exercise. I do not necessarily do all of the exercises listed or for the number of sets listed. This is more of a "general" sheet and once I get in the gym I tinker with it to add a little variety. I may go one less set on something or drop an exercise entirely if I am really feeling like going at 110% intensity with less volume. On squats, I have had success in the past doing a first set rest-pause style for 20. I love that feeling of burning and quivering legs for the last 7 or so reps. From what I have read about citrulline malate, it may help to really increase my performance on this set in particular.

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In terms of your program, I do not think u are giving adequate rest for some of the major muscle groups:

u are working delts with chest both directly and through indirect stimulation,,,, you are working rear delts monday with back the next day, and bis the day after back unsure.gif

I used to run into this problem and finally came up witha split that works pretty well for me:
M: chest, abs, calves, cardio
T: back, traps, cardio
W: legs, calves, abs
TH: shoulders, traps, abs
F: arms, cardio, calves

the only overlapping/lack of rest issue here is with supporting weight acorss the traps for squats and doing tris after shoulder pressing movememtns from the day b4; however, I typicall ydo not try to extend on the presses to bring the tris into play too much

Actually, if you take another gander, delts are on Tuesday and back is on Monday - I just had them switched around when I copy and pasted the excel file into a viewable format. I think that this remedies some of the problems that you mentioned. Thank you very much for the constructive advice however - these are definitely things that I take into consideration.

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Posted: Apr 11 2004, 01:31 PM
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my bad, just assumed as was reading from top to bottom, over and left to right...but in regards to the supps, I am very excited to hear your results with the body octane...after my next PH cyle (prob last mad.gif sad.gif ) I plan on stacking either v2 and nitrous or body octane and nitrous...prob the latter

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Posted: Apr 12 2004, 04:40 PM
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glad to see some JMT in the mix
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Posted: Apr 13 2004, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (David19562 @ Apr 12 2004, 04:40 PM)
glad to see some JMT in the mix

huh.gif JMT.....??

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Posted: Apr 15 2004, 11:02 AM
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Although I still have about half a week of Sytenhance remaining, I have decided to begin dosing of my Nitrous, Body Octane, and V-12. I thought I was going to have to wait longer to begin, but I located about 1/4 jug of V-12 that I abandoned when Swole V.2 first came out. Unfortunately, the flavor is grape, which wouldn't be my first choice for mixing with Body Octane, but I'll manage. The other reason I have decided to start now (other than being eager) is that often these compounds take a few days to kick in. I will still be able to provide a solid review of Sytenhance, which I have run for 6 weeks using only protein powder, ICE, and a low dose of NJ. The 4 or so day overlap of my Sytenhance cycle and Malate cycle will not have any significant impact on my review.

I mixed all of the ingredients individually at first to evauate their solubility and taste.

Body Octane: Mixes clear! I was surprised, as I expected the "Citrus Breeze" flavor to be orange or yellow. Solubility is very good. Gritty powder, not ultra fine. It seems very hygroscopic, so I can definitely see clumping being a problem in a humid environment. Taste is fantastic - like a more subtle orange V-12.

Nitrous: Whoa. How do I describe this taste. Baking soda + table salt? Tangy and bitter, very chemical. Do not drink this by itself. I gave a small scoop to my roommate and told him to toss it back, it was the new Syntrax supplement. He chugged an entire Diet Root Beer and then cursed me out. Powder is extremely fine, solubility is awesome. The taste does die down quite a bit when combined with other flavors.

V-12: SAN V-12 has always been a bit overpowdering in the flavor department. I used to drink it with twice the recommended water to make it more bearable. Not disgusting, but it does hit your tastebuds hard. Solubility is a little suspect - you have to employ the swirl-drink-swirl-drink tactic. Powder consistency is somewhere between Body Octane and Nitrous. Be careful not to shake the container before opening, as the powder tends to dust up and get in your eyes and nose. I've noticed this with Swole V.2 as well.


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Posted: Apr 15 2004, 01:36 PM
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interesting to see how this turns out. i was thinking about the new customizer thing from BSL, making a powder with di-creatine, di-arginine and citrulline malates in it. cant wait for the results.
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Posted: Apr 19 2004, 06:15 PM
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Here is the exact formula of my pre-workout drink, consumed from roughly 535 am - 550 am; workout begins at 6 am:

1 heaping scoop MAN Body Octane
1 scoop SAN V-12
1 scoop Syntrax Nitrous
2 sugar packets (8 grams of sucrose)
10 grams of dextrose
2 grams Bulk Nutrition Taurine
2 scoops Xtreme Formulations ICE

I have been using Vendetta or Nitrojet+carbs for the past 4 months, so I am using ICE+carbs to essentially "replace" this portion of my pre-workout shake. Because I lift first thing in the morning, I find it necessary to consume some form of BCAAs or EAAs and high-GI carbs to kick myself out of catabolism. My logic behind the (roughly) 50/50 dextrose-sucrose blend is laid out by Zeppelin in the Vendetta product description. I keep the pre-workout carbs as low as possible to still provide me the energy and alertness to get through my workouts.

This concoction tastes surprisingly good. The grape V-12 goes well with the grape ICE, and Body Octane adds a citrus punch to it. I can't even make out the Nitrous. The Arm Enhance training protocol is over and I am back to my own plan (laid out in a previous post in this thread). So far I have hit arms and legs (the days of each workout are slightly off now, but the order of bodyparts remains the same). On arms day, I was disappointed with my in-gym pumps. Nothing worth mentioning. In fact, I spent the better part of the morning muttering to myself, analyzing my arms in every reflective surface I passed, sizing up every dude who passed me on campus, and generally feeling small. Around mid-day, during another reflective analysis, I paused - my arms actually looked pumped for no apparent reason. Vascularity looked great. This was my only my third day of supplementation with the stack. Legs day was crucial as always, and I did some cardio later on. Hopefully my DOMS will be reduced some because, as usual, I am having difficulty moving. I did notice a calf pump during cardio, particularly near my shin. I will monitor this in the future as well, during cardio and basketball sessions.

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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 06:17 AM
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Ghostface some good Hip Hop tracks u got there for working out to!! smile.gif there's some other great ones u've missed though!! check out:

Holla Holla- Ja rule
Pump it up - Joe Budden
No.11 - DMX
I'm gonna Bang - DMX
It's OK - Shyne
Baby Boy - Tyrese feat. Snoop Dogg


On another subject, how much $ do u spend on supplements!!? u seem to consume quite a few!! biggrin.gif

I'm looking into purchasing some Swole V2 and Nitrous so keep us posted on your progress!!
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QUOTE (CRAIG MADDEN @ Apr 20 2004, 06:17 AM)
On another subject, how much $ do u spend on supplements!!? u seem to consume quite a few!! biggrin.gif

Thanks for the advice - I'll consider adding them. Holla Holla is a good track. I'm not much of a Budden fan.

Syntrax courteously provided me with the Nitrous to review. The rest of my supplements are funded by my part time job as a tutor here at school. I rarely spend money on anything else (except music and food), so I justify all my purchases that way.

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Cardio

It was a beautiful night out last night and I was frustrated with work, so I went out for a 3 mile run. My legs were still sore from legs day and my other cardio session, but surprisingly, I was very light on my feet and had a great run. No cramps and (seemingly) no additional leg fatigue today. My workout this morning (shoulders) went very well; I was loaded with energy. I will go into more detail in a weekly roundup later. My main reason for updating was the awesome cardio experience.


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Posted: Apr 23 2004, 09:48 AM
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1 Week Update

I have now been on Body Octane/V-12/Nitrous for a full week. Unfortunately, it has also been the most stressful and busy week of my college career. I'm positive that my Type A personality negatively affects my gains, as I keep nearly the same diet, training, and sleep schedule during breaks and grow magnitudes faster.

Still, I had a great week of workouts. Here's a recap of the biggest things I noticed:
  • Dramatically increased performance in aerobic exercise
  • Enhanced recovery/less DOMS
  • Sustained muscle cell volumization throughout the day
  • Increased energy in the gym
  • 20 rep squat + 10 lbs (185)
  • SLDL up 10 lbs (225)
  • Rep or minor weight increases on Arnold Press, Incline DBell Bench, T-bar row

So far, I am pleased with my results. No bloating. I am excited to see what week 2 brings.

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When the going gets tough, the tough get going

Update time. I've been on everything for about a week and a half now, and I think things are starting to kick in full force. Despite being mentally fatigued (which translates into physical fatigue) 24-7, I've still been having productive workouts on a regular basis.

Endurance especially has never been higher in the gym. Rep counts are staying high late into the workout and I have been leaving the gym still feeling energetic rather than dragging. Considering I lift at 6 am, maintaining energy levels throughout the day is usually very difficult. Throughout the year I had regularly been taking naps and relying on caffeine to get me to the night. It struck me today that I haven't been napping as regularly, and my stimulant dependence seems to be on the decline. This is excellent news.

Strength today on shoulders was great even though I didn't storm into the gym with my usual vigor. Vascularity is also coming out even more than usual even though I am eating slightly above maintenance calories. My muscles have also felt more dense/full as of late.

I pulled something in my groin over the weekend. I hope it will be recovered enough to decimate my legs later on in the week.

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Posted: Apr 29 2004, 09:48 AM
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Legs day was brutal. I was feeling well enough to do my regular workout, and I'm glad I did. My roommate was also doing legs, so I had a spotter. The good thing/bad thing is that he is brutal about how deep I go, so on days that I lift legs with him my reps always drop a little. Squats pretty much stayed the same this week, which probably means a little improvement considering the extra depth I was hitting. Deadlifts jumped 10 lbs and reps. Rep increases in leg extensions and hamstring curls as well. By the time I was done with calf raises, I felt worn out but not nearly as dead as usual. Today, although I have yet to walk anywhere but the bathroom, my degree of soreness seems considerably less than usual.

Today was an off-day. Just drank my Power Shake. Face is tingling from the Body Octane, as usual.


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QUOTE (GhostfaceKillah @ Apr 11 2004, 08:56 AM)
My workout schedule for the cycle. On nearly all lifts, especially compound lifts, I aim for 6-9 reps, typically with the negative 1.5 to 2 times as long as the positive portion of the exercise. I do not necessarily do all of the exercises listed or for the number of sets listed. This is more of a "general" sheet and once I get in the gym I tinker with it to add a little variety. I may go one less set on something or drop an exercise entirely if I am really feeling like going at 110% intensity with less volume. On squats, I have had success in the past doing a first set rest-pause style for 20. I love that feeling of burning and quivering legs for the last 7 or so reps. From what I have read about citrulline malate, it may help to really increase my performance on this set in particular.

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Would you know if any of those supplements can be taken with ephedrine without losing some or all of their effect?
I tried satur8 and wasnt bad but nothing to rave about but I know the N02 (pump) supplements and ephedrine cancel each other out somewhat.

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