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Posted by: ShotGunShep Apr 10 2004, 05:55 PM
Age-19
Height-6'
Weight-184-170 or 181-167


I've decided to lose all my fat before this summer begins, so I started dieting 3 weeks ago. I quit drinking, started running(couldn't before due to knee surgery), swimming, taking Ephedrine HCL/Caffeine, and eating smart(even though I was eating smart before).


I checked the scale today and it said taht I know weigh in at 170! What the hell? I weight 180 last week. I got a 25lb weight to test the scale and it said it was 3 pounds over.

I am not happy with the results of my weight loss. I really don't see much of a difference at all. I've never been fat, but I've never had a six pack. The only real fat I have had was a little pudge underneath my belly button, which I thought could only weigh 5-8 pounds. The pudge is definetly smaller, I can feel that if I pinch it. Also, my torso below the pudge looks much more muscular.

I still have time, but I am just wondering what I am going to have to do to get that last little fat outta the way. When I do cardio, I run for 30 minutes on the treadmill and then go immediatly to the bike for 5 minutes. I also do physical therapy for my knee which is just as intense. I swear M&F should do an article on the benefits of all the kinds of plyos that PTs do. They make me sweat like a pig.

Anyway, any comments or suggestions?

Posted by: Phill Apr 10 2004, 06:38 PM
10 lbs in three weeks and you are not pleased. Are you nuts. @ that rate it is very likely you are allready sacrificing much needed LBM.

For example when I am cutting down if I lose more than 2lbs in a week I know it is time to up the cals a little to slow the process. LBM is just to damn important to starve away.

Now if you are on a PH/AAS then by all means you can go for faster weight loss and not risk losing muscle. But other than that I would be happy with your results if not avery concerned about losing to much muscle along with the fat.

Just my 2 cc.

Posted by: Phill Apr 10 2004, 06:42 PM
As for suggestions, sorry missed that part. I would suggest reading up on HIIT. More bang for your cardio buck. Add in a couple session a week to get the fat burning benefit, and as far as cardio goes it is the most anabolic you can get.

Posted by: ShotGunShep Apr 10 2004, 07:15 PM
It's not that I'm not happy. I just didn't think I had more than 10 to lose. I really don't see THAT big a difference. I don't know how it happened. I was losing about 2-3 a week, then I go to the scales and BAM, the scale says 170.

I was worried about losing muscle which is why I came and posted, but again, it doesn't seem that I have. I have been seeing some more definition around my ribs(in the front of the lats). Maybe the middle is the last place I will lose weight is directly under the navel. And it works from the top and bottom. Or maybe I am losing some fat on my thighs, who knows. I'm just confused as how I can lose so much weight so quickly and not really notice all that much.

Posted by: Loki Apr 10 2004, 07:15 PM
I would also recommend trying Ab-Solved on your stomach. Generally, the male 'beer gut' is a sign of androgen-related localized cortisol-overactivity. By using a localized 7-OXO DHEA matrix, you can inhibit this activity (which basically inhibits lipolysis there while promoting lipogenesis). Generally-- if cortisol is indeed the culprit-- you will notice a significant leaning up/dissapearance of your gut with 2 weeks --) 1 month of continual use.

A good way of telling if it's cortisol related is if a.) your tummy flab seems to 'stick out,' and also if b.) it seems to not be subcutaneous (right under the skin), but 'deeper-down' (kind of hard to explain but I think if you have it you'd probably be like "oh yeah, I sorta' see what he's saying..."). That might help you quite a bit, especially if you are generally lean everywhere except for your stomach & waist-oblique area.

Conversely, if it seems to you to be subcutaneous fat (just some adipose right under the skin, on top of the muscle), you might want to try a localized yohimbine-delivery matrix like LipoDerm-Ultra, which is designed to promote lipolysis in 'troubled-spots' that aren't caused by cortisol...

Posted by: shpongled Apr 12 2004, 01:56 PM
Wild fluctuations on the scale don't necessarily mean anything substantiative, it could be water loss. But I didn't see "lifting" included in your workouts. With just running and swimming you can expect LBM to be lost. Also you will find that you usually have to lose a lot more weight than you thought you had to to be happy with the way you look.

Posted by: ShotGunShep Apr 12 2004, 05:49 PM
I'm still lifting of course. I went to the scale before I lifted today, and it read 175 (WTF?!). I am of course completely naked when weighing myself, so it can't be anything like different clothes.
I guess I won't worry about it and just keep at it.

Posted by: Dio May 7 2004, 03:28 PM
Your weight fluctuates on daily basis due to water and glycogen levels. Try to measure yourself at the same time each day, under the same circumstances. e.g. after you take your morning leak but before you eat or drink anything.

Posted by: Burnis May 13 2004, 02:19 PM
Just a quick suggestion biggrin.gif Don't rely on the scale for your progress. I've weighed myslef in the morning, and weighed myslef at night, and had a 13 lb difference. The best way to monitor your progress is with a pair of calipers and a measuring tape. If you gain weight, but your body fat lowers, then you know you've gained LBM. The same is true if you've lost lbs, but your BF % is the same of more than you've lost the LBM, and gained fat. Accumeasure FatTrack Gold digital calipers are available as a combo for under $30 @ www.getbuf.com. They are accurate to =/- 1%. Use these instead of the scale to monitor your progress, and as previously suggested: Weigh yourself upon waking up after your morning piss, but before any food consumption. cool.gif

Posted by: J-manL May 13 2004, 07:19 PM
QUOTE (Burnis @ May 13 2004, 02:19 PM)
Just a quick suggestion biggrin.gif Don't rely on the scale for your progress. I've weighed myslef in the morning, and weighed myslef at night, and had a 13 lb difference. The best way to monitor your progress is with a pair of calipers and a measuring tape. If you gain weight, but your body fat lowers, then you know you've gained LBM. The same is true if you've lost lbs, but your BF % is the same of more than you've lost the LBM, and gained fat. Accumeasure FatTrack Gold digital calipers are available as a combo for under $30 @ www.getbuf.com. They are accurate to =/- 1%. Use these instead of the scale to monitor your progress, and as previously suggested: Weigh yourself upon waking up after your morning piss, but before any food consumption. cool.gif

The only thing about callipers is that most of the time measurements are not accurate and can vary from person to person. Most people are not qualified to take accurate measurements with calipers.

I tend to take measurements(around my waist and love handles) and also use the mirror. The mirror and the tape measure don't lie. Even taking pictures is a good way to gauge progress.

Posted by: Ciscopro Jun 28 2004, 11:07 PM
Can you reccomend the correct supplement product that you were talking about for the cortisol solution. You said 7-oxo-dhea matrix. Is that the powder supplement that is available here or are you referring to something else?

Posted by: RevLloydCarroll Jul 8 2004, 12:36 PM
QUOTE (Burnis @ May 13 2004, 02:19 PM)
Just a quick suggestion biggrin.gif Don't rely on the scale for your progress. I've weighed myslef in the morning, and weighed myslef at night, and had a 13 lb difference. The best way to monitor your progress is with a pair of calipers and a measuring tape. If you gain weight, but your body fat lowers, then you know you've gained LBM. The same is true if you've lost lbs, but your BF % is the same of more than you've lost the LBM, and gained fat. Accumeasure FatTrack Gold digital calipers are available as a combo for under $30 @ www.getbuf.com. They are accurate to =/- 1%. Use these instead of the scale to monitor your progress, and as previously suggested: Weigh yourself upon waking up after your morning piss, but before any food consumption. cool.gif

Burnis is right. The best way to "weigh" yourself is not with a scale but also with a BF% device. Yes, they vary in accuracy from person to person, but as long as your not comparing yourself with someone else, that's ok. They stay just accurate on the same person if you measue same time/circumstances. I did some research on myself when I went on a low carb diet for 6 weeks. I dropped a total of 34lbs and 4 1/2" around my waist. I weighed myself on a scale through out the day to see how different foods/drinks/activities affected my weight.

You generally weigh less at morning because your body has been in a "fast" and have not consumed any water. By the end of the day, you tend to have gained because you have unburned food or "calories" and plenty of water still in your system.

I noticed that when I exercise in the after noon and eat no later than 6pm, I can weigh, for example, 226lbs, but when I wake up in the morning, my body has burned off a lot and dropped some water. I end up weighing about 220 to 222lbs.

Most body comps will give you how many lbs of fat you have. That's a more important value for people like us. If it doesn't, just multiply the % X's your weight.

(one of my measurements) If you weighed 227 and were at 25.5% body fat, thats about 58lbs body fat. If you droped (like me) 7 lbs and then were at 23.6% body fat, that's about 52. That means I lost at least 6lbs of body fat. There's still 1 lbs which could be water or LBM. Since I wasn't doing any weight lifting, just cardio, it was probably LBM.

Hope that helps. I'm not much of a nutritionist but I do like to do some research. biggrin.gif

Posted by: GuardDog Jul 8 2004, 12:42 PM
QUOTE (RevLloydCarroll @ Jul 8 2004, 12:36 PM)
I did some research on myself when I went on a low carb diet for 6 weeks. I dropped a total of 34lbs and 4 1/2" around my waist.

Rev,
Congrats.....That is amazing. I wish I could do that.
Dog

Posted by: trouble Jul 14 2004, 12:01 PM
Observations:

BF measurement is the way to go - supposedly, Costco has a scale ($80) that also measures BF% using an electrical resistance sensor in the scale footpad. I have a friend who owns one, swears by it, and has had the BF scale readings compare well against emersion BF measurements (within 1-2%, which is standard error for many types of semi-analytical measurements). If you gotta use a scale, this one seems to be a decent approach, as you can then correlate weight change to body fat change.

Daily water weight fluctuations easily explain the scale readings. I can't say enough about the previous reply comments on being careful with regard to the rate of fat loss. Two lbs per week is plenty if you don't want to lose hard-won muscle at the same time.

Isn't most belly fat really a superficial deposit of the underlying deep abdominal type? It has a different type of fat cell receptor than found on surface of lower body fat cells and typical sub-Q fat on upper body.

Always hardest to loose belly fat. When I lose weight, I see it come off quickest from sub-Q desposits that are relatively shallow (back ribs, upper chest, chin, back of arms, top of knees); belly fat is more difficult to lose as you get older, and the more often you gain and lose belly fat, the more difficult it seems to be to lose it the next weight gain cycle. Probably related to the number of fat cells produced (recent research seems to suggest that new fat cells can be formed during repeated weight gain-weight loss cycles).

HITT will not only help zip up your metabolism, if you use a combo of elliptical, stair-stepper, and bike (recumbant or otherwise) for 20-25 min, 3x week,, you'll do your knee a favor and prevent further injury to the repaired joint(s). Nix the pounding on the treadmill.

If you're not doing abdominal exercises, it's time to start. Firming up the abs and obliques never hurts in the pursuit of a trim middle, although it isn't going to magically cause the 'pudge' to evaporate.

Keep a daily diet journal. It's so very easy to underestimate calories and overestimate portions. You'll lose more if you can manage to crank up the number of salad/veggies portions, even if keep every thing else the same - the fiber and digestion energetics will help your battle to loose deep-seated fat.

Make sure you keep yourself well-hydrated. Dehyrdation, particularly during hot summer weather or if you have increased your protein intake, will push you in catabolic status more easily.

Get plenty of rest. It's hard during the summer, with long daylight hours available in which to cram even more play (or work) into an already packed schedule. Lack of sleep will also slow down fat loss and increase muscle loss, regardless of your calorie and exercise choices.

God, I have morphed into sounding like my mother....

-sc




Posted by: cup Apr 17 2008, 06:44 AM
Actually gaining weight after starting a lot of exercise is not unusual. Muscles weight more than fat so when you start building your muscules you might look much thiner and even fit into a smaller size and stiil have the same or higher weight.

After the first period the body looks much firmer and the weight changes but loosing fat is not necessarily loosing weight. You can look great without changing you weight or changing it very little.

http://www.thestopsmokingclub.com/

Posted by: cycobushmaster Apr 17 2008, 04:05 PM
QUOTE (cup @ Apr 17 2008, 06:44 AM)
Actually gaining weight after starting a lot of exercise is not unusual. Muscles weight more than fat so when you start building your muscules you might look much thiner and even fit into a smaller size and stiil have the same or higher weight.

After the first period the body looks much firmer and the weight changes but loosing fat is not necessarily loosing weight. You can look great without changing you weight or changing it very little.

http://www.thestopsmokingclub.com/

muscle is denser than fat....one lb of muscle and one lb of fat still equal one lb each.