Hey guys, Im a 20 year old male, I weigh 228 lbs, 6'3", according to my scale from Sharper Image I'm about 24% Bodyfat, and my goal is to get more cut and lose fat, gaining muscle never hurts though. Primarily I wanna have a "beach worthy" body. I just got 2 bottles of ergopharm 1-AD (Oral, 100 mg each pill) and 1 bottle of ergopharm Androdiol select 300 (300 Mg each pill, oral). Anyway, I want to stack for a month and I was wondering what type of program u guys would recommend for me to reach my goals, what type of doses to take, how many times a day to take the pills, when, etc. I also have Formasin to take during my cycle and two bottles of 6-0X0 for post cycle. Any help from you guys is extremely appreciated.

David

You may want to pick up one more bottle of 4-ad. But this is what I would recomend:

300mgs ed 1-add
900mgs ed 4-ad
6-OXO-600mgs ed week 1,300 mgs ed week 2

Split the 1 and 4-ad into 3 dosages during the day.

thanks for the advice man, I'll go pickup some more 4-AD, Im starting on next monday b/c i know u shouldnt drink on a stack and my gf will want me to drink this weekend for v-times day and everything, thanks again

For me personally I never got much from under a gram a day of oral 4-AD, but if you've never used it by all means 900mg is a good starting point. It's also been my experience that topical 4-AD is very much worth the small hassle of applying twice a day.

Unless you're ultra sensitive to estrogen I wouldn't think the formasin wouldn't be necessary, may want to hold off unless you start seeing side effects.

Thanks for the feedback man, I just like to play it safe when it comes to the estrogen and stuff, thats why I have the formasin

I'm gonna do some measurements and post my progress for the board from start to end on this stack, I'll have measurements up really soon and you guys can give me some advice on where to concentrate on, I'll keep all posted, thanks for all the input so far, you've got me hyped and ready to go, Oh yeah and I'll be starting on Monday, Feb 16

My opinion... I would use all of the 1-AD over the month, so 400 mg daily. Actually in all reality I would recommend going with 500-600 mg daily but you can always up the dose if/when you do another cycle.

I just worry about using to much, but i trust your professional opinion and its not like I'd have to buy more, is there a big difference between the 300 and 400 mg doses? From anyone that has taken before I'd appreciate feedback, I just try to keep it on the cautious side, but given my age weight etc if u guys think 400 wouldnt hurt i'll go for it

Well again my first impulse would be to say 600 mg would be a good starting dose at that weight but staying on the cautious side 400 mg will do and you should still get good results. I haven't tried 1-AD, perhaps someone who has experimented with different doses can offer more feedback.

Took measurements for beginning to end comparison, here they are:

chest 45.5"
neck 15.5"
biceps 15.5"
forearms (at widest, below elbow) 12.5"
around navel fully relaxed 38.5"
below navel at waist (around hips) 37.5" (but i wear a 36, didnt really get that one)
legs 26.5"
calfs 16.25"


I know my stomach is a problem area, trust me i know, any feedback on what else I should work on to look better, more evened out, etc. Let me know, thanks

David


PS IMPORTANT- I told some guy i was using this stack to lower my body fat and he told me that's the exact opposite thing it'll do, was he right? I was under the impression that it would help me lower my bodyfat (which is at 24% right now and has a ways to go and is my biggest issue) while keeping me from becoming small by adding muscle mass instead. Please if you guys have knowledge about this, let me know. Thanks for all the feedback today alone, this board is great.

Thanks David, do you guys still sell ephedrine here? If not, is there a caffeine supplement you would recommend?

Vasapro for Ephedrine HCL and Prolab Caffiene pills, or caffiene anyhdrous powder from 1fast400 brand

What type of dosage would u suggest on this stuff? Also, on the site it talks about vasopro ephedrine HCL being for asthma, and says dont use unless diagnosed with asthma, is that just a bunch of bs? Sorry so many questions but u guys have really been a huge help

Start off with 1/2 a pill vasapro (12.5mgs) and 200mgs of caffiene 3x per day, preferably last dosage not taken after 4 or 5 (as to not interfere with sleep) After a week, you can try upping it to a full 25mg of Ephderine and 200mgs of caffiene 3 x per day, but you really should go over that. I would try to keep total Ephedrine intake under 75mgs, so maybe the second week opt for 12.5mg E/200mgs C 2 x daily, and 25mg E/200mg caffiene 20 minutes prior to workout.

I just started the same stack. I am 20 years old, 155, and 7% bf. I have had impressive results so far. I am taking 300mg 1-d, 900mg 4-ad(androdiol select 300), and I am also taking 500mg of milk thistle for the liver. I have gained an amazing 8 lbs in my first 7 days, its truly remarkable. I have had NO noticeable sides yet. All of the gains haven't been rock hard because of the 4-ad, but I am very thin and I really wanted to bulk.