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Posted by: verner Mar 15 2005, 12:42 PM
[PRODUCT]1588[/PRODUCT] ive only seen research on tyramine being a health hazard for some people. what are the benefits?

Posted by: sdf42450 Mar 15 2005, 12:48 PM
QUOTE (verner @ Mar 15 2005, 11:42 AM)
[PRODUCT]1588[/PRODUCT] ive only seen research on tyramine being a health hazard for some people. what are the benefits?

its used to aide fatloss

Posted by: Caleb Stone Mar 15 2005, 01:41 PM

Here's my write-up on it from H.E.A.T.


"Tyramine is a trace amine found in the human body and many foods such as wine and aged cheese. How it was generally overlooked as a supplement until now is utterly baffling to me. This is an amazing little compound.

First, it will go a very long way toward replacing Ephedrine with its stimulation of NE release. In fact, it is used clinically for this very purpose. It does so by acting as a competitive inhibitor of NE uptake at its transporter. Nerve terminals take up tyramine instead of NE, leaving more NE free to work its magic. In addition, it aids the cause further by competing strongly with NE for metabolism by MAO-A.

Tyramine’s real magic, IMO (remember, we go beyond ephedra here today), is in increasing the neurotransmitter dopamine. Not only is it directly converted to dopamine via CYP-2D6, but it also decreases its metabolism via MAO-A inhibition. In fact, the literature has found it to be superior at increasing dopamine than increasing NE. And, injections of tyramine cause an overall vasodilation in skeletal muscle consistent with increased dopamine, as opposed to vasoconstriction, which would be consistent with NE.

Finally, some very new research has identified a trace amine receptor in rats, which is very strongly activiated by tyramine. Activation of this receptor results in an increase in the lipolytic adenyl cyclase. Beyond that, the data is too new and too scarce to come to any real conclusions. However, a number of drugs, which are strongly involved in dopaminergic transmissions and appetite suppression also strongly activate these, including amphetamine, MDMA, and dopamine metabolites. "

Posted by: verner Mar 16 2005, 12:21 AM
QUOTE (Caleb Stone @ Mar 15 2005, 01:41 PM)
Here's my write-up on it from H.E.A.T.


"Tyramine is a trace amine found in the human body and many foods such as wine and aged cheese. How it was generally overlooked as a supplement until now is utterly baffling to me. This is an amazing little compound.

First, it will go a very long way toward replacing Ephedrine with its stimulation of NE release. In fact, it is used clinically for this very purpose. It does so by acting as a competitive inhibitor of NE uptake at its transporter. Nerve terminals take up tyramine instead of NE, leaving more NE free to work its magic. In addition, it aids the cause further by competing strongly with NE for metabolism by MAO-A.

Tyramine’s real magic, IMO (remember, we go beyond ephedra here today), is in increasing the neurotransmitter dopamine. Not only is it directly converted to dopamine via CYP-2D6, but it also decreases its metabolism via MAO-A inhibition. In fact, the literature has found it to be superior at increasing dopamine than increasing NE. And, injections of tyramine cause an overall vasodilation in skeletal muscle consistent with increased dopamine, as opposed to vasoconstriction, which would be consistent with NE.

Finally, some very new research has identified a trace amine receptor in rats, which is very strongly activiated by tyramine. Activation of this receptor results in an increase in the lipolytic adenyl cyclase. Beyond that, the data is too new and too scarce to come to any real conclusions. However, a number of drugs, which are strongly involved in dopaminergic transmissions and appetite suppression also strongly activate these, including amphetamine, MDMA, and dopamine metabolites. "

ohmy.gif Wow. it increases the half life of norepinephrine, AND increases dopamine levels? Im seeing some interesting possabilities and stacks. im going to do some serious research now that i know about it thanks guys, but with the potential it holds, how come its so little known as a supplement? and any ideas on dosages? thanks alot

Posted by: Caleb Stone Mar 16 2005, 08:33 AM

I think the reason it has not been popular at all as a supplement until HEAT is because of the MAOI/"cheese effect" association. Basically, in combination with an MAOI, it can cause a dangerous increase in blood pressure. But, even this is way overstated amongst laymen when compared to the literature.

The other flaw, which is related, is that MAO metabolizes a lot of it in the gut (and elsewhere), so the bioavailability is low and can be variable.

If not for MAO, it would be very reminiscent of cocaine.

As far as dosing, I don't want to go to accurate because it is in our product, so start low (like 50mg) and it is very unlikely that you would want to exceed 300-400mg

Posted by: verner Mar 28 2005, 02:27 AM
thx alot caleb ill pick some up and try it out.

Posted by: apocalypse Mar 28 2005, 08:49 PM
Not many uses MAOI anyway, I know I dont.

Posted by: lizzyhl Mar 28 2005, 09:15 PM
How about transdermal tyramine?

Posted by: Caleb Stone Apr 2 2005, 10:54 AM

I've intended to experiment with a systemic transdermal, but I have not gotten around to it. It is in Lipo Ultra, but that is locally acting.

In a systemic transdermal, it would bypass the gut and liver, which have high levels of MAO, so it could be pretty potent.


Posted by: EastWind Dec 2 2005, 12:36 PM
Caleb, thanks for your info on Triamine! I tried it, and it worked well, but I have two concerns.

1. It stimulated my digestive system to the point were it was digesting my stomach. (The amino acids I'm taking probably didn't help, but triamine seemed to be the main culprit.)

2. Other chemicals that raise dopamine levels (e.g., amphetamines, ritalin/cocaine) tend to be safe only in low-dose time-release formulations.

I'd be grateful if someone could point me to info on how to mix up a low-dose time-release systemic topical.

Posted by: DonV Apr 14 2008, 07:26 AM
Interested users might find this info useful:
http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/circulationaha;109/3/e17
....although arguable they're talking about an IV-based dose...

Quote:
"""Jacob et al1 recently reported that systemic administration of tyramine, which is widely used as a pharmacological tool to assess sympathetic nervous system function, resulted in unexpected and seemingly paradoxical forearm vasodilation.1 Tyramine infusion is well known to increase entry of the sympathetic neurotransmitter, norepinephrine, into the extracellular fluid. By this indirect sympathomimetic effect, one would expect increased peripheral resistance to blood flow in tissues possessing sympathetic noradrenergic innervation. Instead, systemic tyramine infusion produced a clear decrease in forearm vascular resistance despite concurrently increased forearm norepinephrine spillover.

In the same study, plasma levels of dopamine increased remarkably, by {approx}50-fold, during tyramine infusion. The authors speculated that circulating dopamine, released or produced from tyramine, might mediate the paradoxical vasodilation. Dopamine might be released with norepinephrine from sympathetic nerves, or tyramine might be converted enzymatically to dopamine in the liver. The authors concluded with the hypothesis that tyramine-induced release of other bioactive amines (eg, dopamine) plays a role in this paradoxical effect."""

See also:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12707242?dopt=Abstract
(as referenced in the article above)

Posted by: amino L Apr 14 2008, 08:57 AM
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If not for MAO, it would be very reminiscent of cocaine.


I've read this statement before and I am a little amused by it. If MAOIs turned Tyramine into cocaine, why aren't cokeheads rushing out to buy Parnate and Tyramine to get their fix instead of wandering into the projects to get some. If not for MAO, Tyramine would be the toxic "cheese-syndrome" inducing amine that it is. I have never read individual reports of tyramine causing any overtly dopaminergic CNS effects when combine with an MAOI. I bet some knucklehead will combine the two just from reading this and get a nice headache at best. rolleyes.gif