20-hydroxyecdysone |
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| Posted by: Saber41194 Mar 12 2005, 08:20 AM |
| [PRODUCT]1690[/PRODUCT]any review on this ? what is the average dosing cycling ? |
| Posted by: Saber41194 Apr 6 2005, 12:33 PM |
| i ve read on the net that cost-effective way to extract it cost $20,000 per kilogram. So i am wondering about bulk ecdysone is < $1/g |
| Posted by: Samjams Apr 12 2005, 02:16 AM |
| bump on this. plus, what does (50%)mean. There is really no product description. |
| Posted by: Mixelflick Apr 12 2005, 06:18 AM |
| You're going to need up to 1g/day orally of 20-h to see any effects. 500mg is the minimum for transdermal, IMO. I know Mike has seen good effects from Ecdy. Any chance of branching out and getting a quality sublingual ecdy like turkesterone or rubrosterone? I have a theory that a good sublingual ecdy pre-workout to stimulate cGMP would be a wonderful product. Personally, I've done really well on sublingual 5-alpha - hydroxy laxogenin acetate but I'm conserving my last 6 bottles. It's a fantastic recovery type product. Mike, any plans on sourcing a more potent ecdy? |
| Posted by: Saber41194 Apr 12 2005, 09:17 AM |
| i started using ecy 1-3g/day in the end of the my 4th week of S1. now it is my 2nd day of PCT and the 8th day i use ecy along with methoxy & metacort & nolva (40mg) because i used e-form to control estrogen i gained less and should lose less while PCTING. it will be hard to tell what benef i get from ecy/methoxy cause i never used e-form whith S1 cycle. |
| Posted by: Samjams Apr 12 2005, 02:14 PM |
| I was wondering if anyone knows what the 50% means on the product description???? Basicly if I want to take 1g of ecdy. would i need to consume 2g of this powder.??? As a side note I became interested in this product about two years ago. I used a Prolab product called Maximum strengh Ecdyvone. It worked great for me. 200mg of ecdy. 200mg of methoxy and 100mg of impriflovone. Prolab quite making in. I think that prohormones put an end to this product. Last night I broke out my last bottle of it and decided to look for the ingrediants here and i found. Very cool. So, if anybody can help me with the doseing for this product, i would appreciate it. |
| Posted by: Samjams Apr 12 2005, 04:02 PM |
| Bump............... Alot of views but not many replies. If you got a comment let it fly. |
| Posted by: Mixelflick Apr 13 2005, 03:46 AM |
| A 50% ecdysterone extract powder usually refers to half of it being standardized for 20-hydroxyecdysterone. Cyanotis Vaga is the cheapest source, rhaponticum carthimoides is supposedly the best. The rest are ecdysterones of undetermined origin. There are many different ecdy's. Visit ecdybase.org for a full list. Turkesterone is particularly promising. |
| Posted by: Samjams Apr 13 2005, 11:47 AM |
| So your saying that if i want 200mg of 20-hydroxyecdysoneI must consume 400mg.??? By the way, that web site you refferenced was eye opening. |
| Posted by: boly Apr 19 2005, 05:09 AM |
| go transmal with this and add methoxy cause 400 mg isnt much |
| Posted by: Samjams Apr 19 2005, 11:00 AM |
| Thanx for the info. I odered this stuff yesterday. I should have it tomorrow. I ordered twice as much 20-hydroxyecdysone because of the title. I feel that I will need to have I will need twice the amount of the Methoxy in order to get equal parts. I'm not sure if I will go transdermal though. This stuff should have great potentcy orally |
| Posted by: Saber41194 Apr 19 2005, 03:27 PM |
| yesterday got ultra liquid diareha and lost a lod of shit i had to fast and lost about 2kg in one Day. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Apr 20 2005, 02:50 PM |
| About 2 years ago, I used a product from Cytodyne called Methoxy-Pro. It had ecdy. and some other similar products in in. I remember using it for PWO shakes. I would add one banana, one scoop sugar-free ice cream, two scoops of Methoxy-Pro, and topped it off with skim milk (blended, of course). I don't know if it was the bananas or if I just worked extremely hard, but I saw better progress (lean muscle gain/fat loss) using this protein powder than any I've used since. I really don't know why I haven't used it again. I've stuck with solely WPI for PWO shakes since. I haven't seen the incredible gains since I switched. I guess it would be smart to try it again. Of course one thing to note... I used to be in great shape, then had a 2-3 year relapse. So, I guess my body may have reacted extremely well to starting weight training again. Other than that, I don't know what else would have helped so much. |
| Posted by: Saber41194 Apr 22 2005, 01:13 AM | ||
now got the 2kg of shit back into me  . and i am now back to my post cycle weight . just using ecy+methoxy+ prot hight diet. my strength improved a bite and lift faster than ever before .i duno if i may due to training and the on-cycle e-form. or the ecy+methoxy seems to works |
| Posted by: boly Apr 22 2005, 08:45 AM |
| if u used syntrax you know 400 mg isnīt much if you weight 230 pounds some people say they have no results but after taking 800 mg you can feel. going to start in may a transmal hope its going to work |
| Posted by: Nick47850 May 11 2005, 12:47 PM |
| molecular weight of 480 means transdermal will not work - wont absorb. sublingual is an interesting idea, but only really good for pre-workout. hard to say how much good it would do, considering u have to buy the cyclo and react it. required dosage would be alot lower, though. |
| Posted by: JR75358 May 28 2005, 04:02 PM |
| can anyone please share their experiences with this product? I ordered it recently to try it out. would just like the concensus on it. |
| Posted by: Samjams May 28 2005, 05:01 PM |
| Prolab had a product out about 2 years ago. This product was called Ecdyvone. It was a great product. 1 cap a day for each 50lbs of body weight. I liked it alot. I have bought some of the 1fast400 bullk 20-hydroxyecdysone and methoxy in an attempt to duplicate this product. But I haven't tried it yet. When using discontinued Prolab product, I expirenced muscle gain and strenghth gains along with a minor increase in endurance. Also, recovery time was shortened. And I had an almost complete lack of soreness. I hope that helps. |
| Posted by: Saber41194 Feb 1 2006, 03:05 PM |
| it is likeky to do somme litle things for you i think. i just can say that taking mutch/long time might have improved my strenth. i may also due to the training/diet. |
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| Posted by: thesinner May 20 2006, 11:21 PM |
| Would an abosoprtion enhancer such as DHB or Bioprine be effective for this? |
| Posted by: comfortable_pants May 21 2006, 02:48 PM | ||
bioperine is helpful in that in slows the breakdown of ecdysterone in the liver. ecdysterone has a short half-life so anything you can do to extend it will improve results. |
| Posted by: thesinner May 23 2006, 08:22 PM |
| Trying to figure out as much about this as I can. One question I haven't been able to find an answer to is whether or not it is worth it to take on off-days. Since it doesn't cause any known side-effects, it doesn't seem like the flucuation would cause any real issues. Any thoughts or experiences? Thanks for any feedback you might have. |
| Posted by: Viator Jun 7 2006, 11:03 PM | ||
Cytodyne stopped making Methoxy-Pro soon after PH/PS products came out. It was hands down the most anabolic protein I've ever used. If I had to theorize, I'd say the ecdy/methoxy taken WITH protein is far superior to taking it on its own. If I remmeber correctly there wasn't much ecty or methoxy in this stuff but it worked great. Then again we're talking about Cytodyne. An Olympic bob-sledder from Toms River, NJ (where the Cytodyne/Prosource outlet is) tested positive for AAS (turanibol I think) in 1999 and got banned from the '02 winter olympics. He swears it was from a contaminated bottle of Methoxy-Pro, and I believe him. I know the guy, he works out at my gym and he's a health freak and completely anti-drug in all forms. He won't even take an advil. |
| Posted by: Hardgain Jun 8 2006, 10:31 PM |
I had a similar experience to Shakes a few years back, and liked the Methoxy Pro very much. Obviously a common vein here, wondering if there's a chance of a return of this or a like protein.........  |
| Posted by: Viator Jun 10 2006, 05:43 AM | ||
I was just by the Prosource/Cytodyne outlet yesterday to ask about this, and the girl working behind the counter pointed to a bunch of dusty, old bottles of Methoxy-Pro. Conveniently they had no exp. dates or batch#'s on them. I coulda swore they stopped making it once the PH/PS market really took off. (2003ish). No reason for me to go there anymore, except they have MuscleMilk for $22 a jug. The really cute girl that was there for like 10 years (related to the owners) doesn't work there anymore. Maybe a reputable company will try and put something together: quality proetein blend, bioperine, aminogen, digestive enzymes, ecdy, 7-methoxy, & Ipriflavone. Or a big-ass horse pill w/ EAA's in place of the protein. |