bioperine is helpful in that in slows the breakdown of ecdysterone in the liver. ecdysterone has a short half-life so anything you can do to extend it will improve results.

Cytodyne stopped making Methoxy-Pro soon after PH/PS products came out. It was hands down the most anabolic protein I've ever used. If I had to theorize, I'd say the ecdy/methoxy taken WITH protein is far superior to taking it on its own. If I remmeber correctly there wasn't much ecty or methoxy in this stuff but it worked great.

Then again we're talking about Cytodyne. An Olympic bob-sledder from Toms River, NJ (where the Cytodyne/Prosource outlet is) tested positive for AAS (turanibol I think) in 1999 and got banned from the '02 winter olympics. He swears it was from a contaminated bottle of Methoxy-Pro, and I believe him. I know the guy, he works out at my gym and he's a health freak and completely anti-drug in all forms. He won't even take an advil.

I was just by the Prosource/Cytodyne outlet yesterday to ask about this, and the girl working behind the counter pointed to a bunch of dusty, old bottles of Methoxy-Pro. Conveniently they had no exp. dates or batch#'s on them. I coulda swore they stopped making it once the PH/PS market really took off. (2003ish). No reason for me to go there anymore, except they have MuscleMilk for $22 a jug. The really cute girl that was there for like 10 years (related to the owners) doesn't work there anymore.

Maybe a reputable company will try and put something together: quality proetein blend, bioperine, aminogen, digestive enzymes, ecdy, 7-methoxy, & Ipriflavone. Or a big-ass horse pill w/ EAA's in place of the protein.