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"If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is", I used it in quotation because I read that somewhere...As for the shit, its nothing but plant extracts. They somewhat claim Methandriol(Methyl 4AD) is even stronger than 1test. Until someone reputable, like SDF, Slayer, Burnis, or Guarddog tries it and approves it, I wont buy it... Hahaa, so called australian chemists, how did their not up to date scientists found something, chinese or Japanese couldnt find...
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Someone posted a link about Viraloid a while ago: apparently it was developed by BioChem (?) which is a huge, generally reputable company as far as I know. It is chemically similar to Tribulus, but supposedly without tribs drawbacks, and of course more potent. One of the Biochem scientists was (allegedly) answering questions in the link, and the science seemed to make sense, and it seemed to be more or less on the up and up. I'm curious about it.
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I was doing a search for Viraloid, and found a discussion on it. http://www.personal-training.com.au/forum/...498&whichpage=1hope this helps. it is from an australian forum. the "designer" describes how the product actually works to the board backed by a study. "It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both. " Niccolo Machiavelli "O Conscience, into what abyss of fears And horrors hast thou [PLINK=1798]driven[/PLINK] me, out of which I find no way, from deep to deeper plunged. " Milton Mod for HLF 
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i'll give it a go in a couple months cant be any worse than that creatine that gave me the shits ( actually lost weight w/that ) (wonder why ) *sarcasm* anyways if anyone gets to try it before i do feel free to hit me up w/the results...if there are any
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| QUOTE (The Reporter @ Feb 24 2005, 07:03 PM) | Boy, just added today and the review was just written today. That's fast! I hope someone doesn't start a log on it anytime soon. The Avant guys might get wind of it and expose it as a giant snake-oil scam. I was wanting to try it out on my own and give it an objective review. I guess I better hurry before they convince me to do otherwise.
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Oh get off it already. Has the Oratropin issue been so hurtful to you that you now feel obligated to make even unrelated threads into a personal vendetta? Let it go man. I'm sorry what you so sorely wanted to be a magic bullet turned out to be some fairy dust, but to turn it into your own little private "public-defender-Jihaad/crusade" is just utterly inappropriate for this forum. As far as this goes, I'm only going off what I am reading from the forum link posted above: Creator: | QUOTE | | It agonises cortisol receptors in the same way stanazolol does leading to an increase in luteinising hormone and an upregulation in the number of androgenic receptor sites. |
I don't see how this is possible. Antagonizing the GR (glucocorticoid receptor--what cortisol binds to) is not going to influence LH levels in any way. LH levels are a product of GnRH being released from the pitituary, which goes to the leydig cells in the testes to synthesize LH & FSH, which then prompts sex-steroid synthesis. Unless he's altering activity in the brain, pitituary, or directly in the testes, there is no way he's increasing LH levels, especially not via glucocorticoid antagonism (a la winstrol, by binding to the GR). Also the rest of his write-up is exceedingly lacking in good valid data. And the fact that he references one single rat study on winstrol, without backing up any of his other claims should be cause for concern. I don't even see proof anywhere that viraloid antagonizes or binds to the GR. "So next time you [PLINK=4481]see[/PLINK] the homey and his rims spin/ just know my mind is working just like them/ the rims that is..." - S. Carter
www.mindandmuscle.net
www.avantlabs.com
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Also, the fact that he is trying to compare a saponin ( Viraloid) to a methylated anabolic steroid (Winstrol/stanazlol) is kind of, umm..., I don't even want to say it. He is essentially claiming that by taking the 'sugars' off it, he is methylating it and rendering it immune to hepatic first-pass metabolism. HOW??? | QUOTE | | Due to the structure relationships with Methandriol (discussed above), it is a feasible hypothesis that the VIRALOID™, (or TA once stripped of its sugar groups (glucopyranosyl and ramnose)) similar activity will be seen. Anecdotal and initial trialing has confirmed that indeed anabolic actions are present and unlike Anabolic Steroids, more potent synthetic cousins, little to no side effect, other than an increase in libido and in some cases sleeplessness and increased aggression, is seen. Overall an increase in muscle weight, strength and a decrease in visceral body fat were noticed. |
HUGE red flag right here. If this product did what he was claiming, it would be INCREASING visceral fat and reducing SUBCUTANEOUS fat. Then he claims that it is not protodiascin (which is what's in Tribulus and converts to DHEA), and then references a Tribulus/protodiascin study???? "So next time you [PLINK=4481]see[/PLINK] the homey and his rims spin/ just know my mind is working just like them/ the rims that is..." - S. Carter
www.mindandmuscle.net
www.avantlabs.com
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