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Posted: Feb 2 2005, 08:08 PM
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I just read this article called The Arginine Scam and would like to hear the responses people have after reading it.

It seems like every site I go to either says they work or that they don't work.
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Posted: Feb 2 2005, 08:20 PM
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I think there all bullshit....That shit dont work at all.
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Posted: Feb 2 2005, 08:30 PM
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I am taking No-Xplode and love it. Read the reviews....the shit works, and if for some reason millions of people are being tricked by their minds like the so called "placebo effect" in the article then the gains that come from this so called effect are worth me buying the product. You buy the product to see results, and if it truly works then awesome, but if the product does not work but still gives me the gains because i THINK it is working then who cares if it really works. That is my opinion.
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Posted: Feb 2 2005, 09:21 PM
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yeah article is pretty mind blowing huh?

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Posted: Feb 2 2005, 09:33 PM
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AAKG definitely does something. I can feel the difference in my pumps when I'm at the gym albeit they don't last very long after I leave the gym.

Also, before I took AAKG, in the winter my hands would be freezing at 30 degrees F even with 2 layers of gloves on. Soon after I started taking AAKG, that was not the case at all. Today I can expose my hands to the bitter cold of 5 degrees F with no gloves at all for a half hour and my hands still feel warm. That proves that it has improved my blood circulation immensely.

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Posted: Feb 2 2005, 09:57 PM
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its a good article. thanks for sharing it.



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Posted: Feb 2 2005, 10:07 PM
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I was very skeptical about NO supps. I would probably have never purchased them except for the recent ph ban. The way I look at it. I have a sixteen month supply, so I have 16 months to find something to help me keep my hard won gains. I started citrulline malate and aakg last saturday after ending a two week 4-ad m1t cycle(I go two weeks on and three off) This is the only new addition to my normal meta cort long jack pc regimen. I have not lost anything from my cycle! I am getting skin splitting pumps, I am assuming from the aakg and though usually my rep maximum falls by several reps post cycle, I am smoking my work outs, I suppose that is the citrulline malate. I do not see how it is a placebo effect as I was not expecting it to work. I am pleasently surprised at the initial results. I do not keep a pump all day as some of the ad claims state, but, my muscles are fuller. And my vascularity is off the hook. I am naturalluy vascular anyway, especially my arms. It freaked 1fast out the first time he saw my arms and now I am twice as veiny. I am still cautious to claim the the NO supps cause true solid muscle gains. But it stands to reason, if you can work out harder longer then you must grow. The jury is still deliberating but I'll let you know how it turns out.

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Posted: Feb 2 2005, 10:15 PM
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NO does give you solid muscle gains because it allows you to lift heavier weight than you would otherwise and that will in turn give you the muscle gains.

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QUOTE (theflux @ Feb 2 2005, 08:08 PM)
I just read this article called The Arginine Scam and would like to hear the responses people have after reading it.

It seems like every site I go to either says they work or that they don't work.

ok, i just scanned the article, first of all consider the source (T-nation) and they are associated with Biotest, they bash almost everything that they dont make.

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Posted: Feb 2 2005, 10:37 PM
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ginko makes arginine based products look like crap.

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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (reptilejude @ Feb 2 2005, 10:37 PM)
ginko makes arginine based products look like crap.

I remember reading this, what dosages of Ginko are you taking?

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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 12:44 PM
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NO2 worked for me
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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 02:42 PM
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I dont know about all the pumps, Ive never taken it before.... but what I do know is that Arginine is one of the main stimulants of HGH and Insulin. Stacked with L-Ornithine, HGH and IGF rates have increased in many many studies. The bottom line is that whether or not it gives you "pumps", it is still very beneficial to take arginine products for the purpose of increasing HGH, IGF, or just increasing blood flow, even just a little bit.
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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE (Max32 @ Feb 3 2005, 12:53 AM)
QUOTE (reptilejude @ Feb 2 2005, 10:37 PM)
ginko makes arginine based products look like crap.

I remember reading this, what dosages of Ginko are you taking?

Pardon my ignorance...

Are you talking about Ginko Biloba?

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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 03:52 PM
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I've taken different no2 products, and i've had mixed results from them. It depends on the brand, and what your using with it. However, with all that exspensive crap out there, the best results i've had are from bulk CEE and citruline malate. and they are cheap to stack.

My biggest question is this, Does CM work through the same process as arginine? It wouldnt make much sense that it does, does it stimulate insulin response? wtf?

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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 03:56 PM
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For a short time I took Universal's NOX3, and there is a noticable difference in your pumps, as well as my erections. Arginine is the same substance in the transdermal gels marketed for Erectile Dysfuntion. It increases bloodflow, so yes......I believe they work.

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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 07:17 PM
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i used nitrix at 3000mg by bsn and couldn't tell the difference in pumps but felt more energetic.


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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 07:22 PM
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Don't you know that all supp's work. They say exactly how on the bottle. Just like all car insurance companies save you money and paying taxes makes your life easier stress free. rolleyes.gif


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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 09:11 PM
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Other than a boost in pumps, arginine/NO products really don't do much to help you gain mass.
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Posted: Feb 3 2005, 09:30 PM
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i take 150 mg's of a standardized ginko. i weigh 160, so im assuming if you weigh more you would have to up the dose. i get mine from gnc where i work, but i really wish that you guys would get a standardized tablet here.

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