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Prolabs caffeine @ 200mg 3 times a day
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Awesome results, I highly recommend it as the best stack I've ever tried... also, price it out... this stack is freakin CHEAP!!!!
Best Fat Burner |
1Fast400 Forums > Reviews |
| Posted by: HoldDaMayo Feb 10 2004, 12:39 PM |
| Vasopro Ephedrine HCL @ 25mg 3 times a day + Prolabs caffeine @ 200mg 3 times a day = Awesome results, I highly recommend it as the best stack I've ever tried... also, price it out... this stack is freakin CHEAP!!!! |
| Posted by: Script-pro Feb 10 2004, 12:49 PM |
| The best stuff I ever used was LIPODEX from gaspari. |
| Posted by: shpongled Feb 10 2004, 01:03 PM |
| Yeah, in my opinion this stack is much better, and cheaper than any thermogenic product out there, especially after the ephedra ban |
| Posted by: Sypher Feb 10 2004, 01:12 PM |
If you are in the market for a fat burner I would just wait a few more weeks, Par said the AL fat burner should be out soon, if I'm not mistaken.  |
| Posted by: HoldDaMayo Feb 10 2004, 01:15 PM |
| well if it's priced anything like Leptigen, they can keep their fat burner and I'll stick to my 15 dollar current stack... |
| Posted by: Sypher Feb 10 2004, 01:17 PM | ||
Mike always comes through |
| Posted by: HoldDaMayo Feb 10 2004, 01:19 PM |
| but Mike doesn't control AL's pricing... |
| Posted by: Sypher Feb 10 2004, 01:20 PM |
| But he does offer AL products cheaper here than on AL itself. |
| Posted by: HoldDaMayo Feb 10 2004, 01:25 PM |
| http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=54 I'm just saying... I have a hard time spending 100 bux on any supplement... I do like AL though... i mean, I dig on Ab-Solved and I like their approach to the products they develop... |
| Posted by: William Slade Feb 10 2004, 08:25 PM |
I always loved dymetadrine extreme. Too bad it's long gone  |
| Posted by: Zac Beerman Feb 10 2004, 08:52 PM |
| Usnic Acid baby! Lost 9 pounds in 2 weeks without changing diet. Good stuff-Don't abuse it |
| Posted by: Sypher Feb 10 2004, 08:55 PM |
| WTF? 9lbs? What is it DNP Jr.? |
| Posted by: prolangtum Feb 10 2004, 09:23 PM |
| AL's new fat burner will work through mechanisms previously untapped by any other fat burning type supplement out there. |
| Posted by: Ray Lang Feb 10 2004, 09:29 PM | ||
Dito. Been on it for years. Consistent, cheap, and effective. |
| Posted by: weeviekins2000 Feb 10 2004, 09:58 PM |
| So where can I get info on this new fat burner by A.L.?. Can someone post a like to info or an article about it?. I'm using Vasopro, I am up to about 4 a day. It doesn't give me the energy it did when I started it last Friday. I tried stacking it with half a dose of Xenedrine EFX, my wife had some left over, she doesn't like it much. Well I took one Vasopro and 1 Xenedrine upon awakining and nothing different.... |
| Posted by: EC Feb 10 2004, 10:21 PM | ||
Vasopro is awseome. Helluva appetite suppressant. Combine this stuff with any "EF" fatburner and you've got a winner. I don't even sweat the ban, got 10 bottle of this stuff just waiting to be stacked. |
| Posted by: 1/2 Man 1/2 Amazing Feb 11 2004, 12:05 AM |
| ABB speed stack |
| Posted by: shpongled Feb 11 2004, 05:12 AM | ||
Pretty much |
| Posted by: Harneet Luthra Feb 11 2004, 10:11 AM |
| Lipo-6 |
| Posted by: Loki Feb 11 2004, 12:29 PM | ||
The ingedients will remain confidential for at least two more weeks until the final formula is completed. There has been some ingredient shifting & TM/Patent research changes (we had to make sure we could get approval for a few of the ingredients; unfortunately, with one in particular, we couldn't [stupid FDA...  ]) since the original intended lay-out. I will say that it will be good though, as it contains an excellent, finely-tuned mixture of some of the better, currently-existing lipolytic/repartitioning-enhancing substances already available along with a few added-- and quite 'novel'-- additions.  Needless to say, as far as Ephedra-free lipolytic enhancers go, this will be a 'tad better' than Tight...  Oh, and, just for everyone's general edification, the best 'fat-burner' out there (DNP notwithstanding) at the moment (hands down too, if I may say so) is a pharmaceutical whose creators are friggin' idiots for not investigating its efficacy in weight loss on humans...  |
| Posted by: HoldDaMayo Feb 11 2004, 12:51 PM |
| hmm... care do indulge us smaller brained individuals? |
| Posted by: 1932865987 Feb 11 2004, 08:44 PM |
| For those of you who have done it, does ab-solved work well on chest fat? I have a tendency to gain fat around the waist and the chest. I have read somthing about their being 2 types of fat and that ab-solved works well with one and lipoderm works well with the other. |
| Posted by: Loki Feb 11 2004, 09:01 PM |
| It's hard to say really-- male chest fat is a rather complicated phenomenon that can have several (sometimes simultaneous) causes. If it is primarily a cortisol issue, then yes, Ab-Solved would likely be of help-- I know of one individual who saw fantastic results on his chest when using Ab-Solved. However, I also know quite a few individuals who have not had good results with Ab-Solved on the chest. See, if it's merely a Sub-Q adipose issue (re: pseudo-gyno, or prolactin-related, something like that), then you'd be better off with LipoDerm-ULTRA or ODB. If it's actually true, veritable gyno-- hard, lumpy tissue-- than neither will really aide you in that regard, and you'd do best to go the surgical route. From anecdotal feedback, most men do better on chestfat with LipoDerm. In terms of treating abdominal adiposty, it seems to be about 50-50. If you have more of a bloated or 'distented-looking' stomach, relative to the rest of your physique, then Ab-Solved is definitely what you want. If you're relatively proportional, but still have some stomach fat obscuring your abdominal muscles, then you want LipoDerm. Generally, those who respond well to one don't respond terribly well to the other, so it may take a little trial and error to figure out which is right for you, but a good, general guideline is to go by what I outlined above. Ab-Solved kicks ass on beer-guts, LipoDerm is $ when it comes to spot-reducing stubborn fat pockets... Hope that helps. |
| Posted by: 1932865987 Feb 11 2004, 09:57 PM |
| Thanks for the help, the fat is recent and the result of bulking up, I have also been doing s1+ for the last 20 days but I have been paying close attention, Im sure its not gyno. I will buy ab-solved, will 1 bottle be enough for both chest and waist or should I go with 2? Thanks again for the help!! |
| Posted by: Loki Feb 12 2004, 07:19 AM |
| Likely you will need two bottles, although it depends on the application spot. If you are strictly going to be doing your abdominals, you're going to want to use ~ 4 squirts of the compound, 2 times/day to cover that area. Used this way, a bottle of Ab-Solved will last you ~ 1 month. However, if you plan on using it on your Chest AND your Abs, then you're going to have to use 4 squirts - ) Abs + 2 squirts -) per Pectoral, so that's 8 squirts in the morning, and 8 more in the evening. At this rate, each bottle is only going to last you ~ 2 weeks, so, it's likely that, if you want the most 'bang-for-your-buck' out of Ab-Solved, you should buy two bottles and then treat your Chest/Abs together for a full month. |
| Posted by: lovetoeat Feb 12 2004, 09:10 AM | ||
If the increase in energy is your reason for taking ephedrine you may want to cycle it. |
| Posted by: Max32 Feb 13 2004, 05:34 PM |
| in case some might want a non stimulant fat burner, I have gotten great results with the syntrax stack of -Beta 3 (900 mg day) -mm4 3-4 day =gugglebolic extreme 3-4 day |
| Posted by: Caleb Stone Feb 13 2004, 07:54 PM |
| Just to clarify, I think Loki and Pro are talking about Spook's fat burner, which is on the back-burner, because of a potential legal problem with an ingredient we wanted to use and because Spook is MIA going on about a month, now. We also have an oral product that is a replacement for EC, which also addresses some major shortcomings. It should be out, in beta form, within 4 weeks, hopefully, a bit sooner. |
| Posted by: Ernie Feb 17 2004, 12:59 AM |
| I use an e/c stack and run hard. |
| Posted by: Michael19019 Mar 4 2004, 02:29 PM |
| Someone told me that you have to be crazy as hell to take 75mg of ephedrine every day with 3 prolab caffein's @ 600mg per day... they said your heart would explode... I wonder what someone that is 19, 5'11, 180 lbs has about 15% bf should take? |
| Posted by: Loki Mar 4 2004, 03:30 PM | ||||
*Looks down at heart, sees it's still intact* !!! This falls under 'utter B.S.'-- I've abused far more stimulants than that and I'm still well among the living & actually quite healthy according to my Doc.
Start @ 40mg/400mg of E/C respectively. Once you can tolerate that well (re: once the jittery, stimulant effect diminishes), increase it to 60mg/600mg of E/C preferably doses in 6x 10mg/100mg dosages. You can use slightly more or less if you prefer, but generally you want to have roughly a 1:10 ratio between E/C mg to mg. |
| Posted by: fornero Mar 4 2004, 03:44 PM | ||
What a horrible horrible tease Care to drop any hints for those of us that dabble in grey market supplementation? |
| Posted by: Loki Mar 4 2004, 04:05 PM |
| Next two M&Ms buddy, ye shall see the light... -- You probably know about it already too, but seriously, people just don't know... |
| Posted by: David Skalsky Mar 5 2004, 12:52 AM | ||
Come on Loki, you can do better than that. |
| Posted by: roadrunner Mar 5 2004, 04:47 AM | ||||
bromocriptine |
| Posted by: ShadowJack Mar 5 2004, 08:39 AM | ||
Nope. |
| Posted by: roadrunner Mar 5 2004, 09:05 AM | ||||
damn  |
| Posted by: roadrunner Mar 5 2004, 09:44 AM |
| so who's gonna squeal what this amazing pharmacutical is??? If it's perscription, I assume it's not in the new AL fat burner.... an alternative compound maybe? |
| Posted by: Loki Mar 5 2004, 11:09 AM |
| Start offering me bribes... Otherwise... "Until the Next Installment!!!" Cheers. |
| Posted by: Natron Mar 5 2004, 02:18 PM |
| Top? |
| Posted by: Natron Mar 5 2004, 02:20 PM |
| By the way, WTF is with you lately Loki? Have you been studying round the clock? |
| Posted by: Loki Mar 5 2004, 04:47 PM | ||
Some people play videogames. Some people watch TV. Not me-- I kind of just spend several hours every day researching 'all this shiznit'... is that so wrong?!??  Plus, now that I'm-- for all extents & purposes-- IN the industry, this is no longer a hobby for me, it's effectively a job... |
| Posted by: Natron Mar 5 2004, 05:14 PM |
| Good for you Loki, keep the information coming. Don't lose you sense of humor either, you arrogant S.O.B. |
| Posted by: Bug Mar 5 2004, 08:00 PM |
| Loki, your simply killing everyone.....including me. But I'm gonna take a wild guess. Sesamin. I've been a lurker at avant for a long time now and i've come across a few posts regarding this agent. I believe its gonna be a variety of compounds combined with the synergy of sesamin. But then again I could be way off. Damn you, Loki. Damn you. |
| Posted by: fornero Mar 5 2004, 08:45 PM | ||
Sesamin, while a useful compound, does not fall into this category |
| Posted by: fornero Mar 5 2004, 08:49 PM | ||
Dude, the phrase is "for all intents and purposes"-- a little part of me dies every time I see this  (No offense intended; I truly enjoy your writing style, just cringe when I see misuse of homophones. I really shoulda been an english major or something) |
| Posted by: Loki Mar 6 2004, 12:01 AM |
| It's my own personal twist on cliche, because you're right, it's not right, but I still consider it semantically right on the basis of the technicality that it can imply different scopes & realms of focus... But you are correct, being an English major IS a glorious, glorious thing... -- And just for the record, Loki is not totally sure he's buying the Sesamin hype just yet. In vivo human studies are quite telling, and he has yet to see one not looking at something assinine like blood-pressure that doesn't control or guage weight, FM, & FFM at all. It looks quite promising, but I'm not pulling out the student loans just yet... |
| Posted by: anthony giovannone Mar 8 2004, 02:31 PM |
| how big are these pills? can they be cut in 1/2? |
| Posted by: Michael19019 Mar 9 2004, 01:45 AM |
| These pills aren't that large, however, they can be cut in half |
| Posted by: John M20786 Mar 12 2004, 10:18 AM |
| Is the pharm fat loss metformin??? Modafinil?? an anti depressant i'm dying to know? lily's non' stim add med?? stratera? albuterol |
| Posted by: Geffen Mar 13 2004, 09:05 AM | ||
OK. My curiousity has been peaked. Any news of a release date on this? |
| Posted by: Loki Mar 13 2004, 09:37 AM |
| It's out already my friends... http://www.avantlabs.com/main.php |
| Posted by: Geffen Mar 13 2004, 10:35 AM | ||
Thanks Loki! Time to do some research. |
| Posted by: monstr Apr 10 2004, 05:01 PM |
| hey man, i using eca stack for 6 days and great results. 25mg vasopro ,200 mg caffeine,250 mg aspirine. 1 stack 10h (30 min beofre go running) 1 stack 18h(30 min before training weights) yeah,i really feel the efects after taking it, for 1h30-2hours,then i feel tired. i m going to do 15days eca,15 tight,15 eca 15 tight. thats it,bye |
| Posted by: roadrunner Apr 10 2004, 06:12 PM |
| that's great, nice hijack drop the aspirin and start your own log thread |
| Posted by: Crum Apr 19 2004, 10:32 AM |
| since its a stimulant, any one get insomnia from it?? |
| Posted by: Kaner Apr 19 2004, 12:20 PM | ||
I sleep like a log. |
| Posted by: zeno Dec 1 2004, 01:52 PM | ||
ok I'll bite. What's the best fat burner out there that hasn't been investigated for weight loss in humans? |
| Posted by: Caleb Stone Dec 1 2004, 02:19 PM |
| CB1 antagonist?? Actually, I notice that this is an old comment -- i assume pergolide.... |
| Posted by: Nutso Dec 16 2004, 11:03 AM |
| I'm at AL's website right now and are seeing a lot of fat burners. Which ones are good? Thanks |
| Posted by: Christoph22123 Dec 16 2004, 04:29 PM |
| I cracked The DaVinci Code a while back, and now this....man oh man. |
| Posted by: Christoph22123 Jan 7 2005, 03:03 PM | ||
Ok Loki, times up, two weeks have passed while uncertainty held in the balance. Also this other supp that the FDA are fools for not testing it's results on humans, that would be Sesathin right? I remember reading an articles 1-2 years ago in MensHealth how studies have shown that sesame extract/oil has a huge effect on weight stability and loss. Thought to myself man someone has to get on that, where do I get it? Months later AL caem out with sesathin. So, can you tell us about this new product or is it already posted on their site? |
| Posted by: Christoph22123 Jan 7 2005, 03:04 PM |
| Never mind, I guess it was Lean body balance you were speaking of. |
| Posted by: BBDragon Jan 10 2005, 04:23 PM |
| Hexalon baby!! Doh! J/K Kaizen's ECA stack was the best back in the day... you know, the day... before Big Pharma bought out our rights. (bagpipes in the distance...) |
| Posted by: Speedster Jan 14 2005, 07:21 PM |
| I'm assuming it's the PhenoGen that everyone's been talking about. Is this stuff available in Canada? |
| Posted by: Lawn30177 Jan 15 2005, 09:46 PM | ||
Anyone familiar with this product? No reviews as of yet. |
| Posted by: Caleb Stone Jan 17 2005, 07:47 AM |
| It just recently was released for widespread sale. Previously, it was only available directly from us. Here is collected feedback: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/feedback/feedback.php?productID=59 |
| Posted by: tintinet Jan 17 2005, 10:09 AM |
| How 'bout dis one: "However, some of the most dramatic effects attributed to anthocyanins have emerged in studies of blue and purple foods. For instance, when Japanese scientists gave mice high-fat diets augmented with an anthocyanin-pigmented extract from purple corn, the animals maintained normal weights. Mice on the same diet but without the extract became obese. Moreover, only the latter group of animals developed excessive sugar and insulin concentrations in their blood, Takanori Tsuda of Doshisha University in Kyoto and his colleagues reported in 2003. Last year, Tsuda's team showed that the purple-corn extract increased the activity of a gene that regulates the function of fat cells. It's the first food component to do so, the scientists reported in the March 26, 2004 Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications. They also recommended that anthocyanins be explored as nutritional supplements for "preventing obesity and diabetes." Tsuda says, "We need to perform a human study as soon as possible." " But danged 'spensive stuff (found it a $40/100 grams online). |