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Posted by: Emil22663 Mar 29 2004, 08:38 PM
I've been lifting weights for 5 months (2 of which seriously) . Back when I started I weighted 157lbs and my bf was 16%. I'm also 5'11'' tall.

I'm currently 170lbs with a bf of 13%.

My diet:

5-6 meals = 2300 calories : 50% protein 40% carbs 10% fats

My Supplements:

Optimum 100% Whey : 3 times a day /w 8oz of skim milk (not before sleep)
ZMA : Right before sleep
Creatine : 5g post-workout or 5g in the morning

My Workout Schedule:

Mon: Back
Tue: Shoulders/Traps
Wed: Legs
Thu: Chest/Triceps
Fri: Biceps/Abs/Forearms
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

My Sleep:

Weekdays: 6-7 hours
Weekends: 8-10 hours

My Health Problems:

Curved Spine of Scoliosis (10 degree)

Post your thoughts if you feel like it biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jeffrey22837 Mar 29 2004, 09:15 PM
I think it would be easier if you informed us of your goals!!!!!

Posted by: Emil22663 Mar 29 2004, 09:59 PM
QUOTE (Jeffrey22837 @ Mar 29 2004, 09:15 PM)
I think it would be easier if you informed us of your goals!!!!!

Oh! I'm terribly sorry! I knew I missed something.

My Goals:

Weight: 190-200
BF% 9-11

Posted by: shpongled Mar 29 2004, 10:47 PM
A few comments -

1. If you are seeking to gain weight, you are definitely going to have to take in more calories.

2. You should be hitting legs more often.

3. You don't need the ZMA, although it's cheap and it's not hurting, so either way is fine.

Posted by: Emil22663 Mar 29 2004, 11:07 PM
QUOTE (shpongled @ Mar 29 2004, 10:47 PM)
A few comments -

1. If you are seeking to gain weight, you are definitely going to have to take in more calories.

2. You should be hitting legs more often.

3. You don't need the ZMA, although it's cheap and it's not hurting, so either way is fine.

Yeah, I was trying to add calories for a long time. It seems like I'm eating way too much food, but when I add up the calories it's usually only 2300.

Why should I hit legs more often? I heard that legs need 4-5 days to recover. My legs are usually sore well after 2-3 days of leg day.

I'm still a little confused about ZMA. I read a lot of research on it one day and it was all good. Then I looked at used feedback and it was great. Is there something I missed about ZMA?

Thanks for the feedback.

Posted by: Ben james Mar 30 2004, 12:56 AM
I believe, in clinical studies, ZMA may help increase testosterone production by 34% (or something like that). I've never really noticed a large difference an any performance/strength/size gains with it. It does, however, help me sleep like a baby. Before taking it I would usually wake up 5-10 times a night. One day I tried it because someone had recommended it. Haven't had a bad night of sleep since then. That was 3 months ago. I think I'm about to get off to see if it's become a mind thing. In the end, it's great for sleep, and probably a good idea to take to help with maintaining nominal test levels, but go with ON's ZMA (it's 20.00 for a 2 month supply) if you decide to use it at all.

And on the calories deal, shoot for 3300-3500 cals/day to gain weight. Your maintenace is around 2800. It may seem like a lot more, but once you start eating your actual maintenance cals you'll realize how little you were eating. Try some weight gainer shakes for the extra cals if you really can't get them elsewhere.

Posted by: n1017488 Mar 30 2004, 03:50 AM
Sod the Testosterone boosting benefits. I don't believe they will help at all. I bought ZMA a few days ago upon reading all the positive feedback on this site, I have really poor sleep recently (not helped by my current PH cycle). I, for this reason, have bought ZMA becasue it does help you sleep like a baby, and at the end of the day (no pun intended) good quality sleep is almost as important as the gruelling workout you put yourself through during the day in terms of recovering well, especially since you work out 5 days a weeks.
Good luck though mate, I have done just over a year of intense weightlifting, and I only weigh in at 186lbs, same hegiht as you (5'11"), 20yrs old.

Posted by: Emil22663 Mar 30 2004, 06:44 AM
QUOTE (Ben james @ Mar 30 2004, 12:56 AM)
I believe, in clinical studies, ZMA may help increase testosterone production by 34% (or something like that). I've never really noticed a large difference an any performance/strength/size gains with it. It does, however, help me sleep like a baby. Before taking it I would usually wake up 5-10 times a night. One day I tried it because someone had recommended it. Haven't had a bad night of sleep since then. That was 3 months ago. I think I'm about to get off to see if it's become a mind thing. In the end, it's great for sleep, and probably a good idea to take to help with maintaining nominal test levels, but go with ON's ZMA (it's 20.00 for a 2 month supply) if you decide to use it at all.

And on the calories deal, shoot for 3300-3500 cals/day to gain weight. Your maintenace is around 2800. It may seem like a lot more, but once you start eating your actual maintenance cals you'll realize how little you were eating. Try some weight gainer shakes for the extra cals if you really can't get them elsewhere.

Thanks. Will do.

Posted by: Emil22663 Mar 30 2004, 06:52 AM
QUOTE (n1017488 @ Mar 30 2004, 03:50 AM)
Sod the Testosterone boosting benefits. I don't believe they will help at all. I bought ZMA a few days ago upon reading all the positive feedback on this site, I have really poor sleep recently (not helped by my current PH cycle). I, for this reason, have bought ZMA becasue it does help you sleep like a baby, and at the end of the day (no pun intended) good quality sleep is almost as important as the gruelling workout you put yourself through during the day in terms of recovering well, especially since you work out 5 days a weeks.
Good luck though mate, I have done just over a year of intense weightlifting, and I only weigh in at 186lbs, same hegiht as you (5'11"), 20yrs old.

Anything that increases my test naturally is bound to be a good thing. As for sleep, well, I hope it will have a positive effect.

I seem to be an easy gainer, but it doesn't make sense. I have a real interesting combonation of tody types where, I used to have round shoulders and a crooked back (scoliosis). When I started working out, my shoulders grew in width and my back began to straighten.

I'll just keep lifting for a few years and try to reach my natural limits. I would take prohormones but I am really scared of gyno because I had a case in my early teens - which went away but left a fatty deposit under my nipples that's a bitch to cut down. I've been down to 11% bf and they were still there!

Posted by: monstr Mar 30 2004, 07:42 AM
try this workout:
chest abs
back traps
off
shoulders biceps,triceps
legs

or

chest biceps abs
legs
off
backs trapa shoulders triceps

forget the ZMA!

Posted by: Emil22663 Mar 30 2004, 08:04 AM
QUOTE (monstr @ Mar 30 2004, 07:42 AM)
try this workout:
chest abs
back traps
off
shoulders biceps,triceps
legs

or

chest biceps abs
legs
off
backs trapa shoulders triceps

forget the ZMA!

Will do.

Why forget the ZMA?

Posted by: Purple Huskies Mar 30 2004, 09:38 AM
I have read the paper on ZMA like a cuple of years ago, but I think the subject was football players who were defecencies in these mineral. Thus, by supplement them they experienced increase in test. I dont know about you, but I am getting enough of these from multi and MRP. So I doubt Iwill increase natural test production if I take ZMA. As the role of sleep aid, I am not really sure of the effects it has on restfull sleep since I dont take the ZMA.

Posted by: shpongled Mar 31 2004, 01:00 AM
QUOTE (Emil22663 @ Mar 29 2004, 11:07 PM)
QUOTE (shpongled @ Mar 29 2004, 10:47 PM)
A few comments -

1. If you are seeking to gain weight, you are definitely going to have to take in more calories.

2. You should be hitting legs more often.

3. You don't need the ZMA, although it's cheap and it's not hurting, so either way is fine.

Yeah, I was trying to add calories for a long time. It seems like I'm eating way too much food, but when I add up the calories it's usually only 2300.

Why should I hit legs more often? I heard that legs need 4-5 days to recover. My legs are usually sore well after 2-3 days of leg day.


The reason they are sore is probably that you are not hitting them often enough. If you exercise frequently enough DOMS decreases, this is called the repeated bout effect. So, if you were to hit legs 4 days a week and upper body once a week, you would find that upper body workouts made you sore for a long time as well. Give it a few weeks at increased frequency, and the soreness will decrease. Also keep in mind that soreness isn't an indicator of "recovery." If you want to get technical, it can take over a week for the muscles to fully recover from a heavy squatting session. However you should be ready to lift again before then. Legs do take longer to recover than other muscle groups, but the difference isn't nearly great enough to justify only working them 1 of 5 lifting days. And in any case, if you are eating enough (read: a lot), recovery speed will be increased anyway.

QUOTE
I'm still a little confused about ZMA. I read a lot of research on it one day and it was all good. Then I looked at used feedback and it was great. Is there something I missed about ZMA?

Thanks for the feedback.


That "research" is worthless. None of it has been published in any respectable scientific journal. It is an excuse for supplement companies to charge 20 times as much for zinc than it should cost. The facts of the matter:

-Zinc deficiency is relatively common in athletes, especially those undergoing heavy training regimens (not bodybuilders, but football players, track athletes, etc. that train with much higher volume)
-Correcting zinc deficiency increases testosterone
-Taking zinc if you aren't deficient does not increase testosterone, and there is zero theoretical reason to think that it would, it is not rate-limiting in any way.

Bottom line: Take a multivitamin. I don't see any reason not to take a 10 mg zinc supplement, since it is so cheap. But 30 mg is certainly overkill (at least for the purposes of correcting deficiency), and you don't need to pay a huge amount for ZMA - there is nothing "special" about the blend used. Magnesium is also a good supplement, but magnesium citrate should be used, not the form in ZMA. As I said, this isn't a huge issue - even though ZMA costs a lot more than it should given the ingredients, it's still cheap, and it's not going to hurt.