Sorry for "annoying" you, Margaret.

Check out this thread. It less annoying and quite humorous!

http://forums.1fast400.com/?showtopic=9835&hl=

Scatology is the first resort of weak minds.

David, I was wondering if you think 5-HTP (or L-T for that matter) would be beneficial if taken at night for someone who has severe NES and wakes every hour on the hour, almost to the minute nightly. NES=nightime eating syndrome. This condition seems to be what is keeping me from getting back down sub 7-8%bfat, as I have been hovering in the 9-10% range now for over a yr
I have heard other prods or combinations thereof might be beneficial such as 5-HTP, sesathin, theanine, etc.... though I have tried just about everything to little avail.

Yeah, it is the best supplement I can think of for this. Most drugs that help you sleep increase appetite, 5-HT precursors do the opposite.

Also make sure to eat a reasonably sized meal before bed.

Shpongled -

Then again, do you have first hand access to clinicians who've used both in clinical applications on a day to day basis? These are the folks, in my opinion, that see and track results in patients and understand whether or not a drug is efficacious or not. Published studies? Not terribly impressed by such anymore. As we all know, or should know, by the law of publish or perish, "studies" can be flawed and/or unethically designed. I always keep in mind what Arthur Jones has said for years about studies - "most are bullshit not worth the paper they're written on." And, I think at this point one needs to keep in mind that BN sells 5 HTP and doesn't have access to L-Tryptophan.

Roman, I would appreciate a pm for a source of tryptophan. A friend of mine has the ultimate answer for joint aches and pains

This is an interesting post topic, no doubt. All sorts of interesting issues are getting raised.

The issue about exhaustion. L-T will tend to expose sleep debt. That is, if you are not getting enough sleep, L-T can make you feel sleepy.

The reason? At night, your brain converts seratonin to melatonin. If you are sleep-deprived, then you are equivalently jet lagged, and your clocks are out of whack. So an increase in seratonin levels can lead to increased melatonin levels at strange times of day, instead of elevated levels shortly after dusk. This can make you feel innappropriately tired during the day.

So the answer is to start by taking L-T in the evening about an hour before bedtime, and get to bed around 9:00 - 9:30. Just as an experiment.

Lack of sleep can also be the cause of anxiety issues. Hmmm ..... working out hard, and sleep deprived? Exhaustion and depression go hand in hand.

Nuff said. there is more .... much more, but this should be enuff for many.

Please include me in that bunch that would greatly appreciate the chance to order tryptophan. Thanks a million......jungledude, e-mail gerald@he.nocoxmail.com

Is the link on page 2 the link that roman has ? If not I would like a PM also.

Please PM me as well.

L-T has been available since at least early last year. I did purchase some from Beauty & Health a few months ago. All it does is put me right to sleep. I get no beneficial mood enahancement the next day either. I hear a lot that this supp can provide a huge benefit for many, but not me.

bump - could someone PM me with the info?

i'm currently taking an SSRI and it would be nice to get off of it =)