hit me up with a pm for the L-Tryptophan.

Guys...after reading the FDA statement on that site I decided to check and see iff I could find L-T anywhere else.

Here is what I found on one site that sells it in both capsule and powder form:

USP Pharmaceutical Grade 99.6%
PURE L Tryptophan
NO Fillers, NO Pouring Agents, Nothing Added !
YES..Vegetarian Capsules, YES..All Vegan Source !

**This is NOT 5HTP (which is less effective in at least 90% of patients) and costs much less to manufacture. This product as shown by our Certificate of Analysis..is the highest grade available in the world..over 99% PURE. That is why we're the first choice for Dr's and Pharmacies and now...you.

Here is the website, if you want to check it out. http://www.beautynhealth.com/tryptophan/index.htm


I think I will definitely give it a shot. I have suffered from (social) anxiety disorders most of my life and have dealt with pretty severe depression twice...not to mention minor depressive bouts. Good Luck!

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From what I remember a bad batch from china allegedly caused several deaths. I took it for years with no negative effects. Had a great calming effect and gave a STRONG sense of well being(you could really feel a difference, not a placebo effect) and was VERY VERY cheap to buy. All the health food stores were offering full refunds for any products that contained any tryptophan, it was pretty stupid they were acting like it was poison. I used to take Solgar brand V tabs(i think that was the name) multi-vitamin and even they had tryptophan in them. I would definatly take it again. I also remember that there was some concern over how effective it was at controlling seratonin levels in the brain and the consensus at the time was that drug companies realized that due to the efficacy of tryptophan in treating depression they may not have been able to succesfully market paxil type drugs and so pressure was exerted on the FDA to implement the ban. The handfull of deaths didnt help either, but I recently read that 16 to 19 thousand people die each year due to reations from NSAIDs; and yet the FDA doesnt ban aspirin or motrin.


I checked those two sites and the price is really high, prior to the ban a bottle of 100 tablets was about 5 bucks, but that was about the same for arginine, ala, alc and most of the other overpriced newly rediscovered "hot" supplements

It really does work though. I've also had good results from L-phenylalanine by itself and along with tyrosine. Earl Mindel's vitamin bible was full of good info about many amino acids that could be used for mood enhancement, dont know if its still in print(this was pre-WWW, in the early 80s)

Excellent post , Stephen, you rinfo is right on. I ran a number of health food stores thru the 80's, and as I said earlier, the ban on tryp caused panic to the point of customers trying to talk me into selling it to them in the parking lot before it was to be sent back to the manufacturers. Prosac came onto the market just after the ban by a matter of months, so there you have it - you don't need CSI to figure this one out. I don't know however, where you were getting L-T for 5.00 for bottle of 100. I have here a distributer's product catalog that our stores used to order from, dated 1987, the 2 most popular brands we sold were Kal ( 14.99/60s) and Basics for Life (12.99/60s). The place I buy mine from now sells for 26.00/60s. Another reason I only use this source is because they are a drug/alcohol in-patient treatment center that uses supplements, meds, nutrtion, and 12 step program. Since this is the L-T that they use for their patients, used in a clinical enviroment, I trust it to be the best available.

I forgot to add to the info concerning prices and brands - that was for 500 mg. caps. I just found 2 brands in the old catalog that sold 100 and 200 mg. caps that were obviously less than the 500mg. caps.

The reason it was yanked was $$$$$$ pure and simple. The FDA was trying to pull it for years so that Prozac could be released. Why release a prescription drug when there is a natural supplement that works better and is cheaper. The FDA earned their kickbacks on this one, that's for sure

BTW, I had been reading the PDR for nutritional supplements and it states that 5htp is having some of the same contamination issues that were attributed to L-T (EMS).

The $5/bottle may not be accurate,(long time ago) but it was a store brand sold in the Philly area, and it was cheap enough that while in High School and college I had no trouble affording it.

what is EMS ?

I don't believe there is any reason to prefer L-tryptophan over 5-HTP, which is easy to acquire.

I beg to differ on the issue of L-T vs. 5 htp. There's a huge amount of conflicting info with regards to 5 htp, from efficaciousness to safety. When it first came out some years back, I was ecstatic thinking it would do what L-T did. I didn't , and over the years, after recommending clients to try it, in reality, it never lived up to the hype. Now, a number of those clients have switched to L-T , and they'd be the first to tell you that the difference between the 2 are like night and day. And a few of these folks had been L-T users before the ban. These are the types of indiviuals who can tell the difference, regardless of "studies", pro and con. I've spoken first hand with clinicians who use L-T at their facilities on patients and they will tell you that , after trying 5 htp on patients when it first became available, it's effects were nothing like 5 htp. I asked one Doc who uses L-t in his practice why the FDA allows the sale of 5 htp in the mass market vs. L-T, he told me that since 5 htp is ineffective at best, it poses no threat to sales of SSRIs. For 5htp to work it needs a dopa decarboxylase inhibitor, the drug carbidopa, to prevent 5 htp from being converted into serotonin till it reaches the brain. The conversion has to take place in the brain, not before. 5 htp is converted into serotonin rapidly long before it reaches the brain.
For anyone wanting to see the difference between the 2, try both. Start with 5htp for a month or two, then switch to L-tryptophan. Real life experiences are the only things that matter.

How would you compare this L-T cocktail to somthing say valium,or klonopin?

sorry to make the pm list so long but add my name if you don't mind. Thanks in advance.

Dave

The L-tryptophan cocktail will not give a drugged-out effect like benzodiazepine will, in fact L-T was used in the past to get some folks off the drugs and return there brain function to normal. All L-T does is restore a natural balance to the brain for those who nature short-changed in the first place. With this, you won't feel doped-up or zombie-like. By now, it must sound like I have stock in this stuff. Seriously, I don't. I started this post because know lots of guys on this forum are suffering from depression or anxiety. I'm just passing on what I think could be a very effective answer to a wide-spread problem. I've been a recovering alcoholic for 16 yrs., and this has been the best route for me. If ya can't pass on what you percieve to be help for others, what good are ya to the world?

Thanks for the answer Roman...I didnt think you were whoring L-T BTW...I am greatful for the info that you have helped us with.