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Posted: Mar 25 2004, 10:02 AM
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Hi boys,
I am studying ephedra by internet and i discovered some articles of doctor that explain the ephedrine is really dangerous.

But i don't understand: Can i die with a tablet of ephedra?

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Posted: Mar 25 2004, 10:42 AM
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Ephedra is not very dangerous. To put it in perspective, it is less dangerous than caffeine (speaking in terms of the average dosage used).

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Posted: Mar 25 2004, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE (pippirinella @ Mar 25 2004, 10:02 AM)
Hi boys,
I am studying ephedra by internet and i discovered some articles of doctor that explain the ephedrine is really dangerous.

But i don't understand: Can i die with a tablet of ephedra?

byeeeee

if you could die from a tablet of ephedra dont you think the deaths by ephedra would have increased dramatically.

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Posted: Mar 25 2004, 11:44 AM
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Would have to disagree with you both here. Ephedra is way more of a concern then caffeine. Caffenine does not nearly have the effect ephedra does on the beta receptors, vaso-constriction and CNS. That being said, I do not think they should outlaw it. Like with any drug certain people will have bad reactions to it especially if abused. If you take into the account the fact that only 100 or so deaths have been linked to it but yet millions upon millions have have taken it is rather safe. Make that comparsion to tabacoo or alcohol you will see those are much more dangerous.

P.S. -- No you won't die taking one pill. Just don't overdose and run in 100 degree weather and fail to listen to the warning signs of heat exhaustion while not consuming enough water
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Posted: Mar 26 2004, 01:38 AM
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The oral LD50 for caffeine is around 200-300 mg/kg. The oral LD50 for ephedrine is around 300-600 mg/kg. Considering that the dosage used of ephedrine is 5-10 times lower, there is a much wider safety margin, as far as acute toxicity is concerned.

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If you take into the account the fact that only 100 or so deaths have been linked to it but yet millions upon millions have have taken it is rather safe.


There have only been six deaths were ephedrine was actually established to be a causal factor. "Linked" just means someone died and happened to be taking ephedrine at the time. In only two of these six deaths were the subjects taking ephedrine alone. In one case, an individual who took 600 mg daily for years and died after a large dose while exercising in the heat. In the other case blood levels were indicative of an extremely high dose.

Whether you believe there was 6 deaths, 100, or 1000, you cannot ignore the fact that in the vast majority of the cases the people were taking both ephedrine and caffeine. So it is just as logical to attribute it to the ephedrine alone as it is to attribute it to the caffeine alone. If you are going to attribute it to anything, it would be the combination of the two.

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Posted: Mar 26 2004, 03:25 PM
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Posted: Mar 26 2004, 10:37 PM
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Doesn't Eph have potential prostate problems associated with it?
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Posted: Mar 27 2004, 04:11 AM
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ah thank u but i will not assume ephedra because my doctor said to me that i risk my life....

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Posted: Mar 27 2004, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE (Jai Dhar @ Mar 26 2004, 10:37 PM)
Doesn't Eph have potential prostate problems associated with it?

Yes, it's a possibility - definitely something to watch out for. This is something I'd only be concerned with if planning on using it for years though.

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Posted: Mar 27 2004, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (pippirinella @ Mar 27 2004, 04:11 AM)
Can someone answer at my question?
am i safe if i use Dyma-Burn Xtreme,2 capsules before breakfast or morning exercise session, and 2 more capsules at mid-afternoon?

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thank u for your reply

Well, that's kind of a loaded question, since any time you take something there is risk involved. There is never a 100% safety guarantee. But it does not pose a great danger to you, just listen to your body.

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