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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 09:05 PM
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STOP THE DRAFT

Congress Considers Bills To Draft
All American Men and Women Aged 18 – 26
For Military and Homeland Security
Starting Spring 2005


The US Congress is currently considering two companion bills, HR 163 and S 89, that would resurrect and expand the Draft. If passed, the Universal National Service Act of 2004 would begin drafting all young American men and women, starting in the Spring of 2005. This time, evasion of the Draft by escaping to Canada would be difficult, and educational deferments are not allowed

Twenty eight million dollars have already been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft. The Pentagon has quietly begun to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Furthermore, the Selective Service System is required to report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that military draft system is ready for activation.

The Universal National Service Act of 2004 is designed "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." The Armed Services committees of the House of Representatives and Senate are currently considering the bills HR 163 and S 89.

Dodging the Draft will be more difficult than during the Vietnam era. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers from fleeing to Canada. Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along class lines also eliminate higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Although the Bush Administration initiated the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan, and has worked toward reviving the Draft, Democratic candidate Senator John Kerry seems to be in concurrence with Bush. Kerry not only voted for the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, but he has pledged, if he becomes president, to deploy 40,000 new active-duty Army troops in Iraq within the first 100 days of his presidency. Furthermore, Kerry said he expected the “increase likely to last the remainder of the decade.” Kerry has endorsed the idea of mandatory national service after high school, and including women if there should be a military draft. Senator Kerry also endorses Bush’s doctrine of unilateral pre-emptive strike.

Although the media acts as if John Kerry has already been selected as the Democratic presidential nominee, in fact, the Democratic National Convention will not occur until late July. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) is still in the race, and delegates are allowed to switch their allegiance. Democratic delegates could select Kucinich if they believed the American public deserved an anti-war, anti-draft candidate. Congressman Kucinich led two thirds of the House of Representatives to vote against the Iraq War Resolution, won the 2002 Gandhi Peace Prize, and has laid out a plan to extract US troops from Iraq over a three month time period.

Citizens who oppose the Draft and the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars are encouraged to contact members of Congress and the presidential candidates.



Congressional Switchboard: 202-224-3121
Legislative Information: www.thomas.loc.gov
Senate Information: www.senate.gov
House Information: www.house.gov

President George W. Bush: 202-456-1111 president@whitehouse.gov
Presidential Candidate John Kerry: 202-548-6800 info@johnkerry.com
Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich: 866-413-3664 www.kucinich.us

Senator Maria Cantwell: 206-220-6400 maria_cantwell@cantwell.senate.gov
Senator Patty Murray: 206-553-5545 senator_murray@murray.senate.gov
Representative Jim McDermott: 206-553-7170 www.house.gov/mcdermott
Representative Jay Inslee: 800-226-7144 jay.Inslee@mail.house.gov



For More Information Please Read:

www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm

www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html <http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

http://www.hslda.org/Legislation/National/...S89/default.asp

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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 03:34 AM
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Is this legit?

If it was, it would be extremely fucked up, but I'd like to see it from another source.

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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 08:38 AM
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I'm skeptical. If it was, I would think that this would not be the first place that I heard of it.
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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 12:14 PM
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Well, the government does have a tendency of keeping certain things queit until it is too late. But, as far as I know, it is legit. The person who put this together has been politacally active for at least a decade. Still, I do hope that it is an oversight and this mandatory draft thing doesn't happen.
But it may if too many people sit on their hands.

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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 01:18 PM
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I did see this on www.congress.gov Which is a goverment site... so who knows.

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I find this to be very shady. Being in the US Military. I can tell you that right now they are pushing people out. So instating a draft wouldn't make much sense. Especially since the military is becoming more and more choosy about the people they are allowing in. Air Force, navy and Coast Guard aren't excepting GED's any more. And soon in the Navy active duty members will actually have to apply for new positions... no longer will they just be able to pick something.

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Oh please. Stop and think for a minute about what this would really mean, guys.

The bills define the form of service as:
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(1) as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.


Now I'm not quite sure what a "reverse component of the uniformed services" is, so I'll assume they meant to say "reserve" there. (To be fair, apparently Senator Hollings knows how to run a spell checker - the Senate version doesn't have the problems the House version has.)

Let's look at some numbers, shall we?

According to the 2000 census data, there are 34,507,653 people between the ages of 18 and 26.
At the end of FY-2001, there were about 480,000 people in the Army, 350,000 people in the Army National Guard, and 205,000 in the Army Reserve. There were about 172,600 people in the Marines (active duty) and another 39,200 in the reserves. In '03 the Air Force looks to have had about 370,000 or so active duty personnel, with about 108,000 or so in the Air National Guard (I can't find the actual number in the Air Force Reserve, but it's at least 74,000). The Navy seems to have had over 380,000 active and 156,000 inactive personnel. Adding all these numbers up, you get a total military size of around 2,334,800 people.

So if you were to assume that every single person in the military, active or inactive, were in the age range of 18-26 (which is clearly not the case, but let's just go with it), drafting everyone else in that age range would produce a military that's about 14.8 times the size it is now. Furthermore, assuming that every last additional person was a brand new E-1 making a whopping $1104.00 per month, you'd be increasing the military payroll by $35,518,829,712 per month, or $426,225,956,544 per year. (In reality, since E-1s get a raise after 4 months, it would be closer to $460,740,978,921 per year.)

Consider all the new tanks and planes and boats and guns you'd need to buy so that these people would have something to do. Consider the number of bases that would be needed to accomodate all these people. Consider the expenses that would be incurred training them all. If you were somehow able to come up with the total cost, it would make the current military budget look like a bargain in comparison.

That's, umm, really just not something that could we could afford, especially if you consider what would happen to the tax base with that number of people removed from it.


Ok, next scenario: Everyone just goes into the reserves.

Well, you still need to train them, right? You still need something for them to do, which means tanks and planes and boats and guns. You still need someplace for them to hang out when they're on duty. Which means it's still really, really expensive, but you don't need to pay that $460 billion dollar annually for their salaries.


Ok, last scenario: They all have to take civilian jobs in an area related to the national defense.

What exactly does this mean? Well, I can't see defense contractors like Boeing or Raytheon or General Dynamics hiring these millions of untrained kids to work on military contracts. They wouldn't have the skills or knowledge to do anything constructive.

These kids certainly wouldn't be taking the jobs away from the civilians that currently have jobs that support the military. For one thing they wouldn't be qualified for them, and secondly you really couldn't afford to have someone new to train for each and every such job every two years.

So would jobs have to be created for these people who, by law, would be forced to work in a given area? Doesn't sound real promising to me...


Furthermore, there seems to be no provision for phasing it in. That means that in the first year there would be 30-some million kids who would need to be employed in one of these areas. In the second year this number would go up by about 3.7 million (for all the new kids coming into the system - remember that you don't automatically get discharged after 26, you just can't be drafted after that age).

But the third year, well, all of a sudden those 30-some million kids would be eligible to quit, which would have a very interesting (profound even) effect on whatever activity they'd all been doing. After that point there would be something like 7-8 million kids required to serve pretty much continuously.


And what possible reason could they give for excluding kids who're enrolled in college? Hell, if they still want them to have to serve they could defer their service until they either graduate or reach a certain age (25 maybe), at which point their service would begin.

Nevermind that women still really aren't allowed in combat, so why specifically include them? Oh sure, I'm all for making the draft fair, but what're you going to do with 17 million people who you're not going to send overseas to fight?

Also note that it would compel foreign nationals who were in this country, for example, to go to college to serve in the US military. I'm not sure how good an idea that would be...


[my opinion]
Basically, these bills are written very, very poorly.

But wait, there's more! Take a look at just who introduced and co-sponsored them! Every single one of 'em is a Democrat. These bills were introduced as a way to scare people. They wanted people to worry that they'd end up having to sacrifice because of things like the war on terror or the Iraq war.

And if I remember correctly, they were introduced right around the time that somebody was claiming that a disproportionate number of the people doing the fighting were minorities. I recall hearing a lot of stuff along the lines of "we need to make sure that those rich white folks' kids have to fight too."

These bills were introduced with the sole intention of scaring the crap out of as many people as possible. They want people to think things like "gee, if things like the Iraq war are going to make me have to be in the Army for 2 years, then screw that!" And the people who wrote and sponsored these bills are having a grand old time. They get to wave the flag, saying things like how they're just doing what needs to be done to ensure that the military has the personnel it needs to do the jobs we're asking of it. But what they're really trying to do is get people to think "holy crap, we need to put a nice peace-loving Democrat in office so that this never happens!"

It's just one gigantic scare tactic by some Democrats in order to try to make a point. If you take just a few minutes to really think about things, it becomes a really stupid point. But they don't really have to worry so much about too many people doing that pesky "thinking" thing, do they? After all, a lot of people are worried, right?

There may come a time when they need to reinstitute the draft. But making military service mandatory for everyone between the ages of 18 and 26? Come on, that's just ridiculous.
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