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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 10:04 AM
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Current Meals

PRE Workout
3-4 scoops Go with water 15 mins before

POST Workout
Beverly Muscle provider with skim carb countdown milk
*2 slices Lean turkey breast or can tuna if still hungry

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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 10:09 AM
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i should also ask... what NOT to eat before/after ..

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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 09:05 PM
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Personally, Im on a cut, I follow a PF and PC split...

Pre-workout I have 2 scoops of whey with flax in water
Post -workout = Immediately = 2 scoops of whey with 1/3 of dextrose
Post -workout = 2 hours later = chicken/tuna(40-50 pro) with like 1/2-1 cup of oatmeal....

Only carbs of the day for me...No energy problems...

Eating complex carbs pre-workout wont have effect b/c it takes too long, 3-4 hours, until the energy enters the blood stream...Supposedly, simple carbs pre-workout causes an insulin spike, which then causes you to be tired...Never experienced that....

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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 09:07 PM
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Currently
1 hour preworkout 40 grams of oats, 2 scoops of whey concentrate
20min before 2 scoops of Go and 1 vasopro eph tab
Postworkout 50 grams of oats 2 scoops of whey protein
I am not a big fan of simple sugers (dextrose ) after lifting, my gains have been more lean switching to oatS

Also I would have the shake postworkout avoid milk products etc it will slow down digestion. After my shake I wait an hour and have a regular meal

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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (Justin Hager @ Mar 16 2004, 09:07 PM)
Currently
1 hour preworkout 40 grams of oats, 2 scoops of whey concentrate
20min before 2 scoops of Go and 1 vasopro eph tab
Postworkout 50 grams of oats 2 scoops of whey protein
I am not a big fan of simple sugers (dextrose ) after lifting, my gains have been more lean switching to oatS

Also I would have the shake postworkout avoid milk products etc it will slow down digestion. After my shake I wait an hour and have a regular meal

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I completely agree on the post wout dextrose. I tried that for roughly a year and noticed about a 1% gain in bfat, with everything else stable. I believe the dextrose idea is at least partially made popular through mass marketing of companies like muscletech. I am not knocking it, but it definitly is NOT for me

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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE (Michael Weisbein @ Mar 16 2004, 09:05 PM)
Eating complex carbs pre-workout wont have effect b/c it takes too long, 3-4 hours, until the energy enters the blood stream...Supposedly, simple carbs pre-workout causes an insulin spike, which then causes you to be tired...Never experienced that....

Even complex carbs don't take that long to hit the bloodstream. Eating a bowl of oatmeal an hour before working out, for example, would be fairly effective.

Simple sugars shortly before working out (<30 minutes) would also work. Excercise itself will stabilize/lower insulin levels, so the insulin/blood sugar crash isn't going to be an issue.
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Posted: Mar 18 2004, 04:05 AM
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since i'm cutting right now, my pre-workout meal is whatever the last meal was that i happened to eat before i go to the gym. post is just whey and maltodextrin in about a 2:3 ratio (low-volume/high intensity training.)


but ideally, if i were maintaining i would have some natural peanut butter and a complete protein (either whey or cottage cheese) pre-workout, a shake consisting of whey, dextrose, and maltodextrin in a 1:2:2 ratio immediately after lifting, and an hour later i'd have about 100g carbs/50g protein in the form of high GI cereal and skim milk or egg whites.
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Posted: Mar 25 2004, 11:34 PM
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beore workout small meal with little protein and mostly complex carbs... complex carbs are fastest to digest. Protein digests much slower and should be eatin just after workout. that's when the body needs it. otherwise you'll have some blood trying to go to the stomach for digestion when you need it in your extremeties. the bodies energy turn over rate is 24-36 hrs. so don't worry about loading up the carbs an hour before your workout on monday, the energy won't be produced until tuesday. simple carbs spike bld. suger. If this hasn't happened to you, great. but i still wouldn't advise it.
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Posted: Mar 26 2004, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE (Michael Weisbein @ Mar 16 2004, 09:05 PM)
Personally, Im on a cut, I follow a PF and PC split...

Pre-workout I have 2 scoops of whey with flax in water
Post -workout = Immediately = 2 scoops of whey with 1/3 of dextrose
Post -workout = 2 hours later = chicken/tuna(40-50 pro) with like 1/2-1 cup of oatmeal....

Only carbs of the day for me...No energy problems...

Eating complex carbs pre-workout wont have effect b/c it takes too long, 3-4 hours, until the energy enters the blood stream...Supposedly, simple carbs pre-workout causes an insulin spike, which then causes you to be tired...Never experienced that....

I wouldn't recommend fat's before a workout - at least not close to it. It's helpful to have EFA's in you before hitting the gym, but much before since they aren't useful as an energy source really... fats will slow down the digestion of everything taken with it, including Whey, which isn't something you want pre-workout.

For this reason, I follow this protocol:

1.5h pre - Chicken breast/Oats
15 mins pre and during - 1x Whey and Go if carb depleted
Post - Whey and Oats
1.5 Post - Complete meal - Solid protein, Oats and EFA source.

Regarding dex/no dex, there is much debate - generally, both work, it's just a matter of preference. If you want to stick on the safe side while cutting, go oats, that's my advice.
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Posted: Mar 30 2004, 12:55 PM
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quick additional question


if you have have one whey shake / and 1 cup of oatmeal with a piece of fruit



which should you take pre workout
which should you take post workout

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Posted: Mar 30 2004, 03:29 PM
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Whey and Oats Post Workout - no questions there...

Before your workout, if you have been up for a while and have had plenty of whole-food protein sources during the day, and at least one or two complex carb sources, you don't really need whey/oats pre-workout. That depends on your goals and the rest of your diet... but for example, if you are only up for a bit , and you workout earlier (like me), I take a whole food protein source/oatmeal 1.5h pre-workout, and then Whey immediately pre-workout. The whey immediately pre-workout isn't necessary.

So to sum up, don't compromise on the post-workout smile.gif Just make sure you have a decent amount of Pro/CHO in you before..
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Posted: Apr 14 2004, 09:15 AM
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PRE-WORKOUT- buckwheat pancakes with honey & cottage cheese

DURING- 1 serve of Swole plus an extra litre or 2 of water

POST-WORKOUT- egg whites, whey, raw oats & honey in water

tried the dextrose & malto for a while and got way too fat. the oats & honey work much better for me.

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