Has anyone tried either of these with any good results, I see mixed reviews for tight on the reviews section but hot rox seems a good bet, but pricey. Anyone had any side effects from either?

Are there any better fat burners out? Excluding ephedrine of course.

Thanks.

Yes. As of yesterday, you have just been delivered:

http://www.avantlabs.com/main.php

The product you are looking for is called "H.E.A.T.," and I will personally vouch that it is superior to both Tight & HOT-ROX...

I had really great results with hot-rox but I was never able to stand ephedra because it weirded me out and gave me the jitters. So, I really can't compare the two.

Hot-rox got me leaner than I ever was before. I had veins running all over in my stomach which is suprising because I used to be really overweight. It is expensive though.

Hot-Rox is overpriced but generally is a very good products. The thing is people get pissed off by having a look at the price, which overshadow it's success.
Tight is a very good products but slightly less effective than Hot-Rox. But since it's competitively priced, people go for it.
Lipo 6 Ephedra Free gets you best of both worlds. Dorians T-5 is also a very decent product without stimulants or Ephedra.
I'm looking forward to HEAT as soon as I finish off my previous 3 opened bottles!