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 Hi, Here's my stats and my goals for my first M1-T cycle: I am a very experienced lifter. I am 24, 6'0", 190 lbs. I am a football/track athlete. I am not looking to gain much weight. I'm looking to improve my strength and recovery. My genetics are very good. How long should I run my cycle for? What should my dosage be? Some people suggest 4-AD as well. I have 6-OXO for PCT. How much and how long should I use 6-OXO PCT? Also, some people are suggesting Nolvadex instead. If so, how much and how long should I use Nolvadex for? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanx.
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Hey all...Ive been doing research and all, and i finally decided I was gonna take M-1-T...and if i have any severe gyno estrogen like stuff happening, i got some 6-oxo incase, if i dont see anything im just gonna rest on the off cycles...now, i think im gonna also take a protien pill, just becuase the mixes are messy...what i wanna know is, should i stack m-1-t with anything? i see some ppl doing it with 4ad i think its called or something, so i want opinions...i was thinkin bout creatine, but that would just to recooperate or what not...maybe some glutamine on the off cycles...but anything else seriously needed ya think?
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| QUOTE (J-manL @ Mar 29 2004, 08:15 PM) | | QUOTE (bactuffguy @ Mar 29 2004, 07:55 PM) | | Hey all...Ive been doing research and all, and i finally decided I was gonna take M-1-T...and if i have any severe gyno estrogen like stuff happening, i got some 6-oxo incase, if i dont see anything im just gonna rest on the off cycles...now, i think im gonna also take a protien pill, just becuase the mixes are messy...what i wanna know is, should i stack m-1-t with anything? i see some ppl doing it with 4ad i think its called or something, so i want opinions...i was thinkin bout creatine, but that would just to recooperate or what not...maybe some glutamine on the off cycles...but anything else seriously needed ya think? |
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Where do I start? Let me add that I'm no PH/PS expert so anyone can correct me if I'm wrong. First off, M1T doesn't have much conversion into estrogen so there shouldn't be any problems with gyno from the M1T. I don't even know if 6-oxo will stop the gyno in case you do get it. You might need something stonger like clomid or nolva. You say you're going to take a protein pill because the powders are too messy. What kind of protein pills are you talking about? The only thing I can see what you are talking about is amino acids. Anyway, there is no need to mess with protein powders if you don't want to. Any type of meat is protein. Pretty much everyone that lifts and eats a correct diet knows this. Then you ask what to stack it with and mention 4-ad but you don't even know if that is the name of it. M1T is a pretty strong androgen and shouldn't be played around with. Not trying to put you down but it doesn't look like you researched too much.
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I can tell you from first hand experience that gyno is possible with M1T. As such anyone taking M1T or anyone on PH/PS that is susceptible to gyno should have some Nolvadex on hand.
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In theory, gyno should not occur on M1T - in fact, it should be "anti-gyno," given that it kills your natural estrogen levels, and does not aromatize to an estrogenic compound itself. A few people have seen indications on it, in my opinion it is probably just because of paranoia, but the possibility cannot be completely discounted. I certainly wouldn't worry about taking something along with it until symptoms of gyno occur, and you should certainly have an anti-E on hand with any cycle to begin with. David Tolson
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I know you are respected authority on almost everything discussed on these boards Shpongled, but I can assure you that there is a lump that developed after the second week of my first cycle on M1T about a month and a half ago. The only time I usualy notice that anything is there is when my nip is hard though, otherwise it is slightly raised and soft to the touch. And Weevie, were you talking about me being only 18?
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Even tho some claim they got gyno from M-1-T, most guys say m-1-t giving you gyno is rare to null chance...also, about stacking the m-1-t...Milk Thistle is to help your LIVER, most ppl take that during there cycle and PCT (which is ur recovery cycle after)...u usually go 2 weeks on then 2 weeks PCT...6-oxo is to help you with the estrogen and stuff, and that is taken on ur PCT...most ppl say if you do get gyno, they dont know if 6-oxo would even get rid of it, personally i dont know if it would, but nolva or clomid def would...and it would prevent it, but these are prescription...the other guys in here can tell you a HELL of alot more than i can, but u have somewhat basic questions, so the answers arent difficult...all ya really gotta do is research, ask, research, and ask...
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All I know is that I never had gyno or any problems when I was in my teens, the only time I noticed any difference as far as the possibility of gyno is the last day of my first cycle of M1T. The only possible explaination of this occourance could be the M1T or lack there of for a certain period of time (I had been taking my M1T at around 8 am, but on this day I didn't take the M1T(because my cycle ended the day before) or start my PCT (nolva) until about 3pm). Now I am not a biologist or whatever kind of doctor it is that understands the inner workings of the human body, but I do know that I got a small, actually very small case of gyno, either directly from or because of M1T. Actually, I personally have still recommended M1T to some of my friedns looking to increase their performances, not the 10-20 mg/day I was taking (I am more experienced than any of them) but I did recommend at 5mg to a 10mg max dose. I think the main problem is that I may be hypersensitive to the substance. However, I do not understand why. And yes, I personally ran mil thistle, ALA, Potassium, Hawthorn berry, stinging nettle, fish oil, and a multi while on and especially after my cycles. I especially would not recommend M1T or any product for that matter to anyone not willing to accept the responsibility of procurring these/any supplements that will protect themselves.
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What about using "M-1-T Plus" it contains Milk Thistle 175mg, Hawthorne Berry 150mg, Licorice Root 4:1 50mg, and Methyl-1-Testosterone 5mg in each pill.. Sorry no source requests for nolva, read the rules This post has been edited by shpongled on Apr 3 2004, 02:40 PM
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| QUOTE (Wicked1044 @ Apr 1 2004, 01:38 PM) | | What about using "M-1-T Plus" it contains Milk Thistle 175mg, Hawthorne Berry 150mg, Licorice Root 4:1 50mg, and Methyl-1-Testosterone 5mg in each pill.. |
That's about 1/2 the milk thistle you should be taking per 5 mg. I wouldn't assume that Hawthorne Berry is going to combat M1T-induced blood pressure increases although it couldn't hurt. And licorice root isn't very proven as a hepatoprotectant. So I wouldn't depend on that. Instead I would just take M1T and then supplement with high potency liver protection supplements. Eat a high potassium diet. David Tolson
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| QUOTE (Nicholas18644 @ Apr 1 2004, 03:41 AM) | All I know is that I never had gyno or any problems when I was in my teens, the only time I noticed any difference as far as the possibility of gyno is the last day of my first cycle of M1T.
The only possible explaination of this occourance could be the M1T or lack there of for a certain period of time (I had been taking my M1T at around 8 am, but on this day I didn't take the M1T(because my cycle ended the day before) or start my PCT (nolva) until about 3pm). Now I am not a biologist or whatever kind of doctor it is that understands the inner workings of the human body, but I do know that I got a small, actually very small case of gyno, either directly from or because of M1T.
Actually, I personally have still recommended M1T to some of my friedns looking to increase their performances, not the 10-20 mg/day I was taking (I am more experienced than any of them) but I did recommend at 5mg to a 10mg max dose. I think the main problem is that I may be hypersensitive to the substance. However, I do not understand why.
And yes, I personally ran mil thistle, ALA, Potassium, Hawthorn berry, stinging nettle, fish oil, and a multi while on and especially after my cycles.
I especially would not recommend M1T or any product for that matter to anyone not willing to accept the responsibility of procurring these/any supplements that will protect themselves. |
ahh I am going ot be starting a cycle of m1t soon. i have nolvadex handy but i have nvr taken this before what are the reccomend dosages? i am only doing a 2week cycle of m1t then 2weeks off and then goin back on. i'm gonna be starting off at 5mg a day to see how my body reacts to this prohormone/prosteroid. any information on this would be most appreciated. i am scared to get gyno if it is possible. so far what i have read it that it is "rare" but with my luck i'd probably get it.
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