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 As you add on stimulants, there will inevitably come a point where tolerance builds up and you don't get the increased energy anymore. But, adding Xenadrine or another caffeine source is going to substantially amplify the effects of the vasopro when you start. One way to possibly avoid the tolerance buildup is cycle the stimulants you use. David Tolson
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| QUOTE (wku-n-bg @ Feb 9 2004, 01:04 AM) | | I have a high tolerance to ephedrine products and it seems that vasapro from what I read is much better because it is ephedrine hcl instead of an alkaloid it is more potent. Well I stacked 2 with Lipo-6 and I was fine during a workout until I exerted myself hard on one arm dumbell rows. My heart was beating much harder than usual so I decided to cut it back to half or 1 pill an hour or so before my workout. I am not new to using these products but together it can really kick your ass. |
Yeah, be careful with stimulant combinations pre-workout. If I remember correctly, Lipo 6 has yohimbine, I would just go with ephedrine and caffeine. Ephedra will actually be more potent, because it has additional alkaloids. However it is also less predictable, and sometimes doesn't contain the same amount of ephedrine that is on the label.
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Milkman
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I've been taking 25 mg of vasopro with 200mg of caffeine twice a day for about 5 weeks now. I've read a few different things regarding the lenght of a cycle; anywhere from 4 weeks to 12 weeks or more. Two questions... 1) What are everyone's opinion about the length of cycle? and 2) Could I take another burner while I'm "off" the ephedrine hcl. I have half a bottle of thermorexin ( Synephrine hcl/ Caffeine/ Yohimbine) or is that essentially the same at the Eph hcl? thanks
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| QUOTE (Mike Ng @ Feb 9 2004, 11:06 AM) | I've been taking 25 mg of vasopro with 200mg of caffeine twice a day for about 5 weeks now.
I've read a few different things regarding the lenght of a cycle; anywhere from 4 weeks to 12 weeks or more. Two questions...
1) What are everyone's opinion about the length of cycle?
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2) Could I take another burner while I'm "off" the ephedrine hcl. I have half a bottle of thermorexin (Synephrine hcl/Caffeine/Yohimbine) or is that essentially the same at the Eph hcl?
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1) You will find opinions vary substantially. I don't think it would hurt to stay on it for six months if you are using it for fat burning alone. 2) Yes... Thermorexin, or any yohimbine/ caffeine stack is a good choice. Two week cycles of eph/ caffeine alternated with yohimbine/ caffeine may work well, and may reduce the buildup of tolerance.
David Tolson
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I may get some of this to suppress my appetite, keep from from deadful bingeing.
str8flexed (11:11:54 AM): you have wisdom beyond your years young one
Fletch1437 (9:37:06 PM): you've learned well young jedi
Fletch1437 (9:36:35 PM): you're sounding more like prolantum every day ;-)
Thanks to Ted Fletcher, Layne Norton, James Albury, Prolangtum, Gus, Zeppelin, Loki, Arbitro, David Tolson, and all the mods at AL for sharing their wisdom with me, and thanks to Mike for running the best Supplement store on the web(A+ Service cannot be beat)
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| QUOTE (weeviekins2000 @ Feb 11 2004, 04:43 PM) | | I thought I would cycle it at first, but then I read the article about ephedrine on this site. I thought it said somewhere in the article that if you are using it for fat burning cycling may be counter-productive. By the way I eat 30 or less carbs during the week and I am about 700 calories below maitanence now during the week to loose fat. On the weekend I do a carb load. I do want to eat more on the weekend, but not go overboard. So should I not take the vasopro at all on the weekend? |
It really depends on your situation and whether you are using the ephedrine more for fat burning or appetite suppression. There is evidence that the thermogenic effect increases after continued use. However the psychological effects (such as appetite suppression) will decrease. If you are at medium-high bodyfat I would stay on it for as long as you are cutting, but if you are at lower bodyfat I would use it strategically as an appetite suppressant and/or pre-workout stimulant.
David Tolson
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| QUOTE (weeviekins2000 @ Feb 11 2004, 05:57 PM) | | I'm at 16 percent measured with a fat track digital caliper. I hope to get down to 10% in a 16 week cut, ending in may...If I don't get down to 10% I may add another month and end it in June. I am gonna only increase calories slightly when I meet my goal though. I want to maintain 10%...So I would say I am at a higher BF right now. O.k. heres another question, once I get down to 10% is there any supplement that might be able to keep me there that I could take while I increase calories slightly to build mass?...Wel its a long way away anyway, so I'm in no rush. |
You should definitely take fish oil. Acetyl-L-carnitine is another good one. HCA may help but I doubt it. You may also want to continue to take EC if it is compatible with eating enough.
David Tolson
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| QUOTE (weeviekins2000 @ Feb 11 2004, 07:19 PM) | | I take The Total EFA now. It includes fish oil. I wish this site would carry it. Its the best EFA supplement I have found which doesn't cost me an arm and a leg.. So just to be clear... During my carb load I do eat more than during the week, should I still take the vasopro and cut the dosage to maybe just 2 on the weekend?. I take 4 during the week... |
Yeah, that's what I would do - and take even less, if you aren't eating as much as you think you should be. You may want to just cut it completely, because EC will still have thermogenic properties, maybe not quite as strong, but it will also function as an appetite suppressant, which is generally more of a limiting factor anyway for most.
David Tolson
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Vasopro Ephedrine, Mega Pro
