i'm an experienced lifter, 7 yrs. weight ranges from 180-215 at a height of 5'9". max bench 485 for 2 reps, deadlift 450 for 6 reps, squats i like to rep out (all personal bests about 1.5 yrs ago).

my cycle experience the past 4 yrs was mostly test E, eq, d-bol, occasionally winny.

anyways, I want to go back to the legal stuff. Back then I would've used M1t, 4ad transdermal, 1t transdermal, or any of the plethora of good otc anabolics that were out there.

so my question to you guys is what would be a good cycle with what substances are out there now? I have no experience with the substances out there now ie; epistane, superdrol, phera plex, the tren substances, ect....

I am willing to stack a couple methyls (not the smartest thing to do).

I'm looking for strength and size gains and increased vitality (I will tolerate mild lethargy, but not the dibilitating kind)

i'm probably gonna run what ever cycle I do for 4-6 weeks depending on how I feel. My pct will probably consist of nolva-- dostinex if any prolactin issues are concerned.

also if anyone can inform me or direct me to information regarding the properties and expected results of said substances.

thanks guys

Try Havoc for 6 weeks since you seem experienced. I'm sure you will enjoy it.

what is havoc supposed to be like (I read the reviews). Compare it to another familiar aas-- winny, d-bol, ect...

P-plex hands down. The stuff shows great strength and mass gains.


I think havoc would be too weak for someone who has done AAS before. Its a fairly mild compound. I personally have never used it but I have heard decent reviews on it.

Six weeks is kind of a long time to run a methyl. Four is usually what's recommended. If the goal is strength and gains, I'd agree that phera is more suitable than Havoc, but again four weeks is all you should be running a methyl for.

since you have alot of experience with AAS I recommend you run a phera compound, 40-60mg a day, for 6 weeks. I wouldnt stack it, because its good enough on its own. If you could stack it with test, that would be wise.

so it sounds like phera is the big boy on the block... what kind of negative feed back loops are associated with phera (other than shut down). Does it cause progesterone/prolactin levels to go up like tren? Is there anything out there that is legal that will inhibit side effects somewhat, like how winny helps with deca sides or how proviron helps with everything?

phera max..... sounds more like one of those wonder "pheromones" you see in the backs of magazines rather than a steroid.

I bet formestane would help with this stuff, anybody know a good formestane product out there these days?

thanks for all your input guys

formestane would be perfect with phera. Phera is amazing shit. It is hands down the best out there. halodrol would be nice with it if you are trying to lean out. nolvadex for PCT with liver support throughout if you want, I never did liver support supps. Keep the dose between 40-60mg a day. I went up to 75mgs a day but the sides were bad like high blood pressure and lethargy. as far as on cycle ant estros or prolactin, I would use formestane, and you shouldnt have any issues with the phera as far as gyno.

I wouldn't go too crazy w/ phera, as the potential sides can be major and long term. Best route is to go w/ the smallest effective dose and stick to four weeks on any methyl. Here's something you may want to read regarding phera.

http://www.ergo-log.com/pheraplexheart.html

I wouldnt be too alarmed as far as phera goes....

I did 75mg stacked with halodrol for almost 8 weeks. I had hardly any issues. I did mostly 60mg a day and when I bumped up to 75mg I had lethargy and high blood pressure.

As far as an enlarged heart, ect...


ALL steroids have the potential to cause side effects, at any dose. Its a linear thresh hold, meaning, for any person, any dose can be harmful, but some will have no probs at a high dose.

Im not going to argue this, but its true. Obviously, if you take more of a toxic substance, you may have more side effects. Then again, you have to weigh the fact that you are shutting down your endogenous test, so you might as well make it count instead of doing some pussy cycle and not getting nearly any gains from it rather than take a higher dose, and get your gains.

that link was interesting. what do you guys think about stacking pheraplex with superdrol-- that stuff is kinda like methyl masteron or proviron, right (superdrol)?

I want to use formestane on cycle. I used to use e-form and loved it but I don't see it on here anymore. What is a good formestane product with good oral bioavailability(sp)? are there still transdermals?

thanks guys

Phera rivals m1t and anadrol for strength and weight gain. Ive used em all and liked phera the best.

Nice sense of well being on it too. Almost like a static buzz of endorphins flowing through you all day.

Just eat like a beastmaster. Take in an extra 1000 cals a day, train 5-6 days a week and up your protein. You'll go up a shirt size in 4 weeks.

If you can get your hands on prop, use it with phera and you'll be amazed.

superdrol causes bitch tits in most users, sooo i personally wouldnt advise it.

Yeah superdrol is crap in my opinion. One week into a past cycle my nipples were getting irritated.

SUPERDROL never gave me bitch tits whatsoever. I took a high dose for 6 weeks and experienced nothing but strength and aggression increases, especially the aggression.

if used, I advise an anti estro....


it is a 5-alpha compound I believe

even if it can cause estro effects, cant i just run a solid PCT and an AI on cycle and itd be pretty safe? Im pickin up nolva for my upcoming mdrol cycle

My ph history -

I took epistane - didnt really feel much at 20/30/30/40 but I did get a little strength and leaned out keeping my weight up. Kind of a waste of time, would never run it again

PPlex/Xtreme Tren - ran 2 cycles of this and loved them both. Both of these compounds are THE sh*t

I just picked up a bottle of mdrol, cant wait to run this stuff. I think im gonna shoot for 10/20/30/30 and if i cant make it, i cut it at 3 weeks.

If you want to be cautious, run nolva during the cycle that way nothing gets to the breast receptors... or run some letro or a strong anti estro.

Im not too worried about it as I ran pplex and tren twice with pretty simple pct's and was fine.

This last cycle of pplex and tren did puff up my nipps a little though. Ill def be prepared, thanks joseph. appreciate it

Funny story - this kid I met last summer, we were shooting the shit talking about working out and I told him how I was running a few cyc's and my goals and hes like "yeah man im all about staying natural. I got big last summer, gained 40 lbs naturally." I totally didnt believe him cause hes pretty big and asked him what kind of supps he was using and he said "i just used this stuff superdrol for 3 months. I used 3 bottles and it worked pretty good" I totally called him out for being a dumbass and told him he wasnt natural and what superdrol actually was. He was like a deer in headlights. Kid thought he gained 40 lbs naturally in one summer.

THe good thing about it is he is still alive. He said he took 30mgs for 3 months straight! I told him to go to the doc and get checked out! Luckily when he bought it from the store, the guy recommended milk thistle so he was taking that along side. 3 months though!!!!!!! damn! He gained 40 lbs and lost 20 of it cause he has no PCT

yeah most ppl learn the hard way.... "natty" superdrol eh? thats about as androgenic as they come. And 40lbs natural? Thats just dumb and ghey and ignorant. I dont even consider anything more than creatine and protein to be "natty". Even increasing your own test isnt "natural". Natty is what your body is on NOTHING except food.


you got a subaru like that one? I have a G35 I want to supercharge and smoke you little subarus