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NLman3

Posted: Sep 26 2007, 11:15 AM

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First time ever seeing it the other day..........Does it need pct? Is it a ph?

Big_Ben

Posted: Sep 26 2007, 03:28 PM

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No, No, and no...

Such mixed reviews I've never tried it. If you do, throw back some feedback.

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DJlift

Posted: Sep 26 2007, 04:05 PM

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yeah i tried it, didnt notice anything different

Bryant160087

Posted: Sep 26 2007, 06:16 PM

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I haven't tried it, but a VERY respected member of BB.com broke it down ingredient by ingredient, detailing why its pretty much a waste of money.

Heres the link:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.p...androgenic+17hd

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http://www.intelligentdesignmagazine.com

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UDstud1805

Posted: Sep 26 2007, 09:24 PM

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I F'in love the stuff... you do a set at max intensity... you fatigue... drop the weight... and 2 breaths later again you're ready to pick it up and go again. Unbelievable product. Don't expect anything interms of weight gain... but if you want to be stronger and go longer in the gym its great. it will harden you up slightly... but its more for the rush

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ed72338

Posted: Sep 26 2007, 10:45 PM

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If you can go stronger and longer in the gym then why aren't there any corresponding mass gains? Either you are overtraining or your nutrition must be poor. Unless the product is suppressive.

goodskie

Posted: Sep 26 2007, 10:57 PM

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i'd rather have a burger

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UDstud1805

Posted: Sep 27 2007, 10:19 PM

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strength and lifting intensity are not synonymous with muscle gain... Take it to extremes... look at different steroid forms... anavar isn't going to add any size.. winny will make you harder but you're not going to be buying bigger shirts from them... bu tyou will be strong as hell on both.

6'3: 242 lbs. 14% bf.
Deadlift 495, rack deadlifts 585 x 2
Squat 385 x 6
Someone asks you "how much you bench...?"
My answer: enough...

AdamGrossman

Posted: Sep 29 2007, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE (Bryant160087 @ Sep 26 2007, 06:16 PM)

he was right...its garbage.

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UDstud1805

Posted: Oct 1 2007, 11:10 AM

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81 reviews with 4 out 5 stars average... doesn't sound like garbage to me....

6'3: 242 lbs. 14% bf.
Deadlift 495, rack deadlifts 585 x 2
Squat 385 x 6
Someone asks you "how much you bench...?"
My answer: enough...

JW32Hoops

Posted: Oct 1 2007, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE (UDstud1805 @ Oct 1 2007, 11:10 AM)

81 reviews with 4 out 5 stars average... doesn't sound like garbage to me....

Don't trust the "reviews" on this site. Ever notice that 9 out of 10 reviewers are NOT people who post here? I think it's shady. Could be teenagers with their heads up their asses, company reps with an agenda...anybody. I'd rather try to learn from dialogue on here than take those stars on face value.

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UDstud1805

Posted: Oct 1 2007, 12:57 PM

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other than "The strap" I'd say there more right than wrong... if you read them and remove the ones from F'ups that are writing... "just bought this last night... can't wait to start it... I'm giving 3 stars cuz I clicked buy at checkout." or that joke ilove pussy.... but otherwise if you read them i'd say they're mostly legit...

6'3: 242 lbs. 14% bf.
Deadlift 495, rack deadlifts 585 x 2
Squat 385 x 6
Someone asks you "how much you bench...?"
My answer: enough...

cycobushmaster

Posted: Oct 1 2007, 06:23 PM

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yeah, i've used 17-HD (by Vyo-tech ). i think it was a phenominal pre-workout supplement. i'll detail why....it flat -out, made me aggressive. if i was still a fighter, i would buy stock in this company. taking it prior to workouts decreased fatigue, made me feel stronger, and really want to physically punish things. howver, i got kind of too agrressive on it, so would only suggest taking this prior to workouts, and leave it in the gym.

the intensity only last about 1-2 hours, so it wasn't an all-day thing.

i did try 17 Hydroxy-Mesterone (by IDS ), which is quite similar, as far as ingrediant list is concerned. however, i had next to no noticable effects from this, except for some mild constipation.

p.s. i'm not sure about PCT with this....it seems to affect test levels, as least as far as aggression is concerned, so i would take time off after using it.

goodskie

Posted: Oct 1 2007, 07:19 PM

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they sell it at GNC.......so it doesnt do shit. i win

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Succio

Posted: Oct 1 2007, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE (goodskie @ Oct 1 2007, 04:19 PM)

they sell it at GNC.......so it doesnt do shit. i win

they also sell ON whey, muscle milk, no xplode guess those products dont work

ive personally tried some samples of 17-HD and i had some pretty good results.

goodskie

Posted: Oct 1 2007, 11:49 PM

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ok they have some shit that works a little although i would never pay for no-xplode.

if u like it use it. i would never.

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