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 I posted before about my plans to do a final ph cycle before calling it a day. Now, I have come to the decision to buy 2 bottles of 4Derm, 2 bottles of Big 1 and one bottle of Metacort for PCT. Now, becasue it is my final ph cycle I want to do it 'with style' as such, and was just wandering if it was worth taking M1T at the same time? Of course, I shall take Pro Liver if I decide to do it. Can anyone tell me if this would be beneficial or just a waste of money. Perhaps even skip the Big1 and just use M1T? I don't pretend to know a great deal (however I have read the M1T articles, though they are short), so please advise me as to what to try. Thankyou
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chaos
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i say buy 1 extra bottle of 4derm and apply 50% more 4derm than big1, AND do the m1t also. 2on/2off/2on like i said last time, its your last hooraa, and liver toxicity is over blown, IMHO. GO FOR IT chaos ====================
"you can rest when your dead"-CHAOS
chaos1@cyber-rights.net
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Right, I have decided at last. I am going to buy 2 bottles of 4Derm, 2 bottles of M1T and 1 bottle of Big 1 (plus Metacort for PCT, and Pro liver for the cycle period) My plan of action is this: 5 sprays of 4Derm and 2 M1T pills in morning, on waking 5 sprays of 4Derm, 5 sprays of Big 1 and 2 M1T pills in evening, before bed Going to do a 4 week cycle of M1T, as I said last go. (3 capsules of pro liver before bed to). A 2/3 week PCT with Metacort. Sound okay? Thankyou
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chaos
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i would try to stretch the transdermal cycle to 6wks. and then do m1t the first two and last two. or 8wks transdermal, with m1t 1-3, 6-8. a longer cycle will help solidify your gains. my next cycle will be 20 wks chaos ====================
"you can rest when your dead"-CHAOS
chaos1@cyber-rights.net
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If you want to use M1T/ 1test/4AD in the same cycle..I would suggest atleast a 6 week cycle outlined below: Wk 1-6 : 4derm / Big -1 Wk 1-2 : M1TIn short...Run all 3 for the first two weeks...and then drop the M1T. M1T in the first two weeks will kickstart your cycle untill the 1test kicks in. (in about 1.5-2 weeks) This is only a suggestion, and there are..ofcourse more educated/experienced individuals on the board who will no doubt chime in. Take Care, T
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Money is a real issue, that's the problem. I have just read the FAQ again, and it basically tells me M1T and Big1 together are pointless, since they are both the same. If this is the case, I would rather use the M1T, becasue it is far cheaper, however I am terrified about using it, to be honest. I know a short cycle will probably do little damage, and it is overhyped, but if some one could please put me at ease I would be very grateful. Thankyou for all your help by the way people
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| QUOTE (david24414 @ Jul 23 2004, 06:16 PM) | | QUOTE (James29931 @ Jul 23 2004, 02:09 AM) |
20weeks??? What the hell are you doing? |
1-5 anadrol 100mg/day
1-10 test enen 750mg/wk
1-19 equipose 500mg/wk
11-19 tren acetate 100mg EOD
11-20 test enen 400 mg/wk
11-22 test prop 100 mg EOD
15-22 winny 100mg/day
1-23 letrozole 1.25 mg EOD
1-26nolva 20mg/day
23-26 theropy
500mcg HCG E4D throughout
and you would FREAK, if you new how little this cost
chaos
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How did you come up with this goofy cycle? I hope this was a joke.
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| QUOTE (t00fan @ Jul 23 2004, 12:48 PM) | If you want to use M1T/1test/4AD in the same cycle..I would suggest atleast a 6 week cycle outlined below:
Wk 1-6 : 4derm / Big -1
Wk 1-2 : M1T
In short...Run all 3 for the first two weeks...and then drop the M1T.
M1T in the first two weeks will kickstart your cycle untill the 1test kicks in. (in about 1.5-2 weeks)
This is only a suggestion, and there are..ofcourse more educated/experienced individuals on the board who will no doubt chime in.
Take Care,
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This cycle outlined by "t00fan" makes the most sense. The 1-Test does not take time to "kick in" because it's a base hormone being delivered via transdermal application. Only injectable AAS with esters take time to kick in. 1-Test and 4-AD should be the base of your cycle. M1T could possibly be as liver toxic as Halotestin, so I would keep the dose down to a minimum and only use it for 2 weeks. 1-Test and 4-AD work great together and with the added potency of M1T, your cycle should be a good one.
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1-5 anadrol 100mg/day 1-10 test enen 750mg/wk 1-19 equipose 500mg/wk 11-19 tren acetate 100mg EOD 11-20 test enen 400 mg/wk 11-22 test prop 100 mg EOD 15-22 winny 100mg/day 1-23 letrozole 1.25 mg EOD 1-26nolva 20mg/day 23-26 theropy First of all, it seems like the lower a guy's self-esteem, the more gear he uses. That Psyc degree comes in handy. Anadrol is a lousy steroid when you consider the liver toxicy and that most of the gains are water. If anything, use D-bol instead. Mg per Mg D-bol kicks Anadrol's ass. I see you are dropping the EQ at week 19 which is a good thing when you consider how long the undecylenate ester is. Still I would drop it at week 18. Why not stretch the tren out until the last few days? It's the shortest ester you are using. 100mg of Winstrol a day is over kill. 50mg is high enough. Do you think you are a professional bodybuilder? How much was your natural body weight before you started taking AAS? Who cares about health anyway. 
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200mg of 1-Test a day (100mg in the AM and 100mg 10-12 hours later) and 600mg a day of 4-AD (300mg 2 x a day.) This worked well for me. I think guys should do a few cycles with these two androgens, experimenting with the doses, before ever using something a potent as M1T. I used Avant Labs transdermal products, which are called Dermabolics now.
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M1T with Big1, ...is it worth it?
