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Posted: Feb 28 2007, 01:47 PM
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Thought you all might find this article interesting.....I've been taking multi-vitamins since I was a kid (Flinstone's chewables got me hooked)!

Study finds vitamin pills not helpful
By Thomas H. Maugh II
Los Angeles Times
Article Last Updated: 02/28/2007 12:59:20 AM MST


Adding to a growing scientific consensus, a large Danish study released Tuesday found that vitamin E and other antioxidant supplements provide no health benefits and may even produce a small increase in the risk of death.

The report in the Journal of the American Medical Association immediately was criticized by vitamin-makers and some researchers, but its findings are similar to other studies suggesting that supplements are not as quick and easy a way to improve health as their promoters claim.

Supplements "have great biological plausibility, and we all wish that they would work," but they do not, said Dr. Edgar R. Miller of Johns Hopkins University, who was not involved in the new study.

"We need to concentrate on life style modifications, stop smoking and lose weight, and not be deceived into thinking that taking a supplement will lower the risk of mortality," he said.

Dr. Goran Bjelakovic of Copenhagen University Hospital and his colleagues performed what is known as a meta-analysis, combining the results from 68 previously published clinical trials involving nearly 250,000 patients.

Using all the studies, they concluded that the supplements, which varied in dosages, were not associated with either an increased or decreased risk of mortality. But when they used only the 47 trials that they considered the best conducted, they found a 4 percent increase in risk of death with vitamin E, a 16 percent increase with vitamin A and a 7 percent increase with beta-carotene.

Vitamin C supplements showed no benefit or risk in either analysis, while selenium showed a trend toward increased risk, they said. Their study was funded by the authors' institutions.

While the percentages are low, an estimated 25 percent of the U.S. and European population is thought to take one or more of the supplements, placing potentially large numbers of people at risk. The most common objection to the report regarded the authors' selection of what they considered the best- conducted studies.

It was only after they did this, "using their own criteria, that they observed a statistically significant effect on mortality," said Andrew Shao, vice president of scientific and regulatory affairs for the Council for Responsible Nutrition, a trade association for makers of supplements.

"This meta-analysis appears to be a predetermined conclusion in search of a method to support it," he said.

Miller, however, noted that "there are good clinical trials and bad ones. ... That's a fine way to do it."

Biochemist Balz Frei, director of the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University, also argued that all the original studies used the supplements to try to produce an improvement in patients who already had a disease.

"That may work with a drug, but it is never going to work with a dietary supplement," he said. "You can't undo the damage of decades by giving a dietary supplement for a couple of years."

But Miller noted that the results from the Danish study were virtually identical to those from Women's Health Study, which involved nearly 40,000 healthy women, showing that the supplements don't work even with subjects who do not have a disease.

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Posted: Feb 28 2007, 02:11 PM
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what complete garbage this article is. I want to see this Dr's degree
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Posted: Feb 28 2007, 04:34 PM
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I always notice that they never tell you where to find the studies.. a .com or something that we can see for ourselfs... I also see alot of these studies coming out of the EU......codec anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: Feb 28 2007, 04:46 PM
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Hey, I have been doing some research on M1t, and I was just wondering if anyone knew more about it and would have some good advice to either taking it or not....thanks
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Posted: Feb 28 2007, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (ejr @ Feb 28 2007, 09:46 PM)
Hey, I have been doing some research on M1t, and I was just wondering if anyone knew more about it and would have some good advice to either taking it or not....thanks

unless you have researched it and full understand all the asociated side effect m1t can cause i would stay away from it, there are much safe options out there that give just as good results if used correctly

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Posted: Feb 28 2007, 05:04 PM
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I have heard this before. I don't believe it as I do feel better after I take my vitamins.

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Posted: Feb 28 2007, 10:36 PM
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how the fuck could anyone think that taking vitamins is wrong. what the fuck. i mean if you OVERDOSE by a lot maybe thats wrong for your liver or something. but if you take the recommended ammount its obviously good. i mean its RECOMMENDED for something
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Posted: Mar 1 2007, 01:08 AM
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Vitamins and minerals are a myth. rolleyes.gif

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Posted: Mar 1 2007, 01:28 AM
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I testet this shit out for the past 4 years.....I took it daily for a year for one year...and I was not sick once...2nd year I didnt take any and I got sick multiple times....3rd year I took it and no sickness....so 4th year I didnt take it and guess what got sick


So, helps ME a lot with not gettin sick smile.gif And, I feel more alert.

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Posted: Mar 1 2007, 01:49 AM
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QUOTE (flava 4 rava @ Feb 28 2007, 05:02 PM)
QUOTE (ejr @ Feb 28 2007, 09:46 PM)
Hey, I have been doing some research on M1t, and I was just wondering if anyone knew more about it and would have some good advice to either taking it or not....thanks

unless you have researched it and full understand all the asociated side effect m1t can cause i would stay away from it, there are much safe options out there that give just as good results if used correctly

Why is this question in this thread...or even in this forum? There's a section for that.

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Posted: Mar 1 2007, 05:45 PM
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Ok, so one guy is trying to discredit millions of studies to the benefit of vitamins?


HAHAHAHAHAHAAH...... wow.

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Posted: Mar 2 2007, 04:26 AM
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I know that if I quit taking my animal packs and msm for a couple months I can DEFINITELY tell a difference. I start to wonder how people that have never taken anything must feel.

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Posted: Mar 2 2007, 02:38 PM
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ok first off.. how many people agree.. I knwo I dont.. but then again i saw a dr. post before that if you cosume more that 35 grams of protein at once the rest turns to fat.. these drs. are full of shit.. all they want is us to look into pharmaceuticals
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Posted: Mar 2 2007, 04:43 PM
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This kind of stuff comes out all the time.
See the thing is if you have a perfect diet you can in fact get everything you need from food but the problem is, it just dosen't exist.
Not only that, the demand for more nutrients increases with stress and age.

They really don't like the fact that people are in charge of their own health.

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Posted: Mar 2 2007, 07:23 PM
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i know Dr... its messed up. why would they say something likethat. of course you need vitamins its obvious. i bet anybody who takes vitamins knows the truth
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Posted: Mar 2 2007, 07:47 PM
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im confused but i guess i dont understand the point of the article. Im guessing it is saying that vitamins are not good for u but bad. How could anyone think that. Years and years of research and proven facts have shown that vitamins c,d,e,a and any other are proven to help the body function.
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Posted: Mar 2 2007, 07:56 PM
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you really like al pacino huh
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Posted: Mar 2 2007, 08:01 PM
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Posted: Mar 3 2007, 05:52 PM
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I don't think the point of the article is to say that "vitamins are bad." In contrast, they studies resulted with the conclusion that vitamins aren't as beneficial as previously thought. "Inconclusive" is the term I believe they came up with.

I will still take my GNC Mega-Mans....I would need to see additional research in order to base a decision on. As we all know, with anything there are dozens of research saying "A" and still dozens others saying "B". It never stops.
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Posted: Mar 3 2007, 06:04 PM
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doctors take one semester of nutrition. nuff said.

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