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"I recall you saying somewhere that there is only one Chinese source for sesamin/episesamin, and so everyone must be using the same thing... but word on Avant is that this is blatantly false, and that there are many different sources to be had. Are you sure that you are using the same source that Avant is, or at least, a source with 500mg episesamin in it along with the sesamin? I also ask this question of Scivation, if they see it here." -Me "Please start a new thread and I'll address this. I will not crash this thread. Thanks! " -Scivation Ok, done.
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Sir, On the episesamin and sesamin issue: To my knowledge episesamin is not listed on any Sesamin product's label thus is NOT in the product. To my knowledge, there is also no known standard and test for this ingredient so to verify is episesamin is indeed in any product is not possible (I could be wrong). There is also more than one source for independently tested Sesamin that we can utilize, so saying that there is only one company importing it into the country is ignorant. Also, to counter the claim made by a certain company, their product is not the most inexpensive. Scivation Sesamin 180 count will be available for $33-$39 next week on most if not all sites. President of [MLINK=120]Scivation[/MLINK] and [MLINK=125]Primaforce[/MLINK]
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| QUOTE (RepubCarrier @ Jul 9 2006, 06:45 PM) | The burden is then on Avant's shoulders to verify the episesamin content of their product, as has been claimed for the past 3 years. If they do so, it will establish the superiority of their product (not taking price into account).
Poison, I do not doubt the sesamin content, but rather the lack of episesamin. Avant's sesathin is advertised as being 500mg of episesamin, and the other 500mg per dose being sesamin. Episesamin is much more powerful (2-3 fold, if I remember correctly), so this is pretty important. |
It is not on the label, that is all I know. I also THINK that there is no testing method available domestically for this extract.
There could very well be epi in the other 500mg of Sesame Oil. Until I see an independent test or even a label claim of it, it doesn't exist.
President of [MLINK=120]Scivation[/MLINK] and [MLINK=125]Primaforce[/MLINK]
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| QUOTE (RepubCarrier @ Jul 9 2006, 06:45 PM) | The burden is then on Avant's shoulders to verify the episesamin content of their product, as has been claimed for the past 3 years. If they do so, it will establish the superiority of their product (not taking price into account).
Poison, I do not doubt the sesamin content, but rather the lack of episesamin. Avant's sesathin is advertised as being 500mg of episesamin, and the other 500mg per dose being sesamin. Episesamin is much more powerful (2-3 fold, if I remember correctly), so this is pretty important. |
Also, having 100% of the extract stanardized as you say is not only nearly impossible, but very costly. Did they really claim that out of 1000g, 500mg was Sesamin and 500mg was episesamin? I highly doubt this.
President of [MLINK=120]Scivation[/MLINK] and [MLINK=125]Primaforce[/MLINK]
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"...The only active ingredient is sesamin (50:50 ratio of sesamin:episesamin isomers)" ParDeus confirmed this statement so it's 500mg Sesamin of which there is 250mg sesamin and 250mg episesamin.
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No CoA posted but pu12en12g posted this on the SesaGlow thread. So all sesamin products should contain epi as well. "Sesame seed contains considerable amounts of compounds collectively called as lignans. Sesamin is one of the most abundant lignan compounds and is epimerized during the acid-clay bleaching in the oil refining process to form episesamin [1] (Fig. 1). Therefore, commercial sesamin preparation contains both sesamin and episesamin at about 1:1 ratio." - J Nutr Biochem. 2002 May;13(5):289-295.
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scivation sesamin source, new thread, as requested
