I am considering using BOlt and V-12 together. I have used v-12 in the past and saw very good results. Bolt sounds like a very promising product and I think SAN is a company that produces good products. My question is if I use them together what do you think a good combination would be? follow the package directions? one scoop of each every day? Any suggestions?

IMO save your money, just buy the V12. The limited feedback on BOLT has been far from impressive.

V12 really didn't do anything for me. I have tried all different kinds of creatine and never got the results promised by the product.

Ive gotta say I am a tired of products going on about ridiculious gains that might happen to 1 in a million, but gotta say v12 definitly works to some extent. The bicept pump u get is amazing, and my bench has gone up 20 lbs in less than 3 weeks, so im not complaining:

...but enough rambling back to the question. dont see any point in taking both as there is a limit to how much ur muscels can grow without PH. I dont take PH by the way. just creatine and whey protein

I actually called SAN and asked them about BOLT since V12 didn't do anything for me. They told me that BOLT and V12 go together you take V12 before a workout a BOLT after, not one or the other.

Well, naturally they're going to tell you that. They sell it, and they're in business to do business.

It's not really a bad idea to take both; it won't hurt, and some people do like Bolt. That said, I think it'll be unanimous that you'd be happier with just V12 or something similar (Swole, Satur8, etc.) if for no other reason because you'll save cash on something that could be spent better elsewhere.