Everyone keeps talking about these pumps they feel when taking
CEE. How long did it take to have an effect on you? I've been taking C.M. for 2 weeks (3.2gr 2x), and
CEE (4 pills pre and post workout) for a week and I don't feel any significant pumps.
Although I'm taking these products for the
health benefits and not just the "pumps" since I know they don't make you bigger nor stronger, but just curious because even though they're useless they are pretty fun

As a side note, the only product that's ever given me a pump is
No-Xplode.
my full pre workout has looked like this:
GHV 30-60 minutes before workout
C.M.,
vanadyl sulfate and
CEE immediately or 15-30 minutes prior to workout