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 I wouldn't bother with either R-ALA or Glucophase. Just use the common ALA, and try dosing between 400-800 mg per day, in 200 mg shots. I found that 600 was almost too much, driving me into low blood sugar status...I cut back again to 400, once morning and late afternoon, and I seem to do better with a more moderate dose (at 140 lbs bodymass). proud hyperborean
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And if I could find an R-ALA product that doesn't suffer from polymerization and quality control issues (highly variable batch to batch), then I would be purchasing it, despite the cost. However, until these issues are resolved, its plain old ALA for me. I had read that the potassium salt is ncessary for the racemic mixture separation. proud hyperborean
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Im thinking of getting a glucose transport type product. As of now, pure r-ala products are a ripoff. Most r-ala products out right now are only available in 100mg doses. They praise on how its 100% r-ala and that regular ala is only a 50/50 mix of r-ala and s-ala. I think i will stick with regular ala. Its a no-brainer. r-ala 100mg 100 caps=10 grams r-ala $15. Ala 300mg(50/50 mix) 180 caps=27 grams r-ala $20 For an extra $5 you get 2.7x as much r-ala. Goals:
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Chest: 41.5 in.
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Ive used GXR and regular ala and don't know if there is a difference, I usually take it PWO. 5'9 202 lbs 22 yrs old
Power Snatch 210 lbs
Bench 365 lbs
Power Clean & Jerk 255 lbs
Deadlift 580 lbs
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Wel Glucophase isn't like taking M1T or something. It just helps a little bit and every little bit helps. You HAVE to take Whey isolate right after for it to do any good at all. You have to qualify if something works or not by small degrees I suppose. If you are trying to naturally build muscle without PH you need every edge you can get. Helps a little bit is what I would say, just keep up that protein intake. Shut Up and Lift!
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| QUOTE (trouble @ Nov 22 2005, 02:31 PM) | I wouldn't bother with either R-ALA or Glucophase.
Just use the common ALA, and try dosing between 400-800 mg per day, in 200 mg shots.
I found that 600 was almost too much, driving me into low blood sugar status...I cut back again to 400, once morning and late afternoon, and I seem to do better with a more moderate dose (at 140 lbs bodymass). |
The common ALA has a problem in that it contains the man-made S-enantiomer that bascically seems to act like a competitive inhibitor to the naturally occuring and biologically active R-enatiomer in the mitochondria. The anti-oxidant effects of R-ALA are through it's constant cycling back and forth to di-hydrolipoic acid as it passes an acetyl group from thiamin to coenzyme A. Chronic treatment with R-ALA will actually lower insulin levels based on everything I've read at Pubmed. Although acutely it may increase glucose uptake too quickly in someone with baseline high insulin levels. Overtime this should change though.
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So Max, you found the slow release form of R-ALA to be superior to standard R-ALA, and racemic ALA. What was your dosage/ How long did you use it? Thanks for the reply... proud hyperborean
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| QUOTE (trouble @ Nov 30 2005, 03:25 PM) | So Max, you found the slow release form of R-ALA to be superior to standard R-ALA, and racemic ALA.
What was your dosage/
How long did you use it?
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Been using GXR for about 6 months or so. wake up, take 1-2 along with alcar/tyrosine/ choline/glucuranalctone/ caffeine/ taurine pre-mix as GXR seems to potentiate the effects of other supps, especially stims. I will also typically take one with a high carb meal or cheat meal along with a sesamin based product. I usually also take one in midworkout, then take in vitargo post, wait 15 minutes, and then hit up about 75 grams whey isolate....
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glucophase vs r-ala
