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 I ran out of Redline VPX (aq), so I decided to try something different. Since I have money to blow, I figured I would buy ALRI's new stimulant: Venom. I figured, hey, it costs a lot, so it must be good. Right? We'll soon find out. In retrospect, I should have bought Stizm from Thermolife. That formula looks totally badass. Nevertheless, stats are as follows: 22 y.o.a. 5'10 180 BF % very low (ripped) typical Diet : Morning: 1) omega-3-fatty acid enriched egg omlet (3 eggs), skim milk, one scoop protein from Ultra Peptide ( xtreme formulations) in 5 ounce water. -or- 2) 5 scoops Xtend in 16 oz. water. Midmorning (approx. 2 hours later): Metrx Protein bar or beef jerky - or combination of both. Lunch: Xtend, wait 30-40 min, then consume whole food. Dinner: MRP (currently Chocolate Optimum MRP) Before bed: 2 scoops protein via Ultra peptide in water. About ALRI's Venom: Supplement Facts: Serving Size: 1 capsule Servings per Container: 90 Amount per Serving DV%* Unique Proprietary Matrix Cocoamine™, Guarana extracts, Hoodia gordonii, 5-HTP, ALA Vitaberine (thiamine trisulfide analog), B-12 (as cyanocobalamin), Guggul Extracts (2.5% Guggulsterones),Rhodiola rosea root extract, Capsiate 300mg Day 1: On the bottle it says to take 1 pill in the morning to assess tolerance. Unfortunately, it came late in the mail, so I took one at 3pm on an empty stomach. It's currently 5:16, a little over 2 hours after I've taken it, and nothing has happened - at all. No buzz, no clarity, no energy, no focus. Nada. To be fair, I just got off a Redline VPX/vasopro ephedrine stack which I ran for a few weeks. Tommorow I'll take two on an empty stomach and see what happens.
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I'll definitely be keeping this log rolling. And just to point out, the goal of this log is not weight-loss or fat loss or anything along those lines. I'm using it for energy, mental alertness in class, and energy/aggression in the gym. I box/kickbox/muay thai 3 nights a week and lift heavy on 3 other days. Energy/aggression is definitely my first priority.
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 Someone smart enough to use military time. its 00:22 here and i just got off work . Keep us posted about the venom and its effects.
Uber-banned
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Day 2: Dosage: 2 cap's approx. 8am on empty stomach. Two hours later: No effect. Man, what a waste of 40 dollars - thus far, at least. I plan on taking 2 more caps in a few minutes and then work out. Tommorow I'm stacking it with ephedrine.
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After my second attempt at dosing I've found that its more of a slow, but much longer lasting stim. It didn't "hit" like others but for a continual push I like it so far. Note took 1 cap at 4:45 a.m. worked out for approximately 1 hour. Had less stim than say amp, eph. Took another cap at around 8:45 and it is still kicking ~12:00. Feel good, somewhat stimulated, and clear headed after ~2 hrs. sleep. Great considering lack of sleep.
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| QUOTE (adrenaline77 @ Nov 15 2005, 01:16 PM) | | QUOTE (Max32 @ Nov 15 2005, 01:46 PM) | | thought you might like to know that ALRI will be releasing a night time version of VENOM that actually is a sleep aid, as well as more of a thyroid potentiating/uncoupler version to make a 3 way stack |
Do you know a specific date on when this is coming out because i couldnt sleep for crap last nite.
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Why didn't you sleep well? There are cheaper supplemental "sleep aids" than anything ALRI will release - I promise you that. Check out melatonin, diphenhydramine, among others. I've also heard, though haven't verified, that 5-HT, and ZMA also help sleep.
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| QUOTE (tlifter84 @ Nov 15 2005, 11:54 AM) | After my second attempt at dosing I've found that its more of a slow, but much longer lasting stim. It didn't "hit" like others but for a continual push I like it so far.
Note took 1 cap at 4:45 a.m. worked out for approximately 1 hour. Had less stim than say amp, eph. Took another cap at around 8:45 and it is still kicking ~12:00. Feel good, somewhat stimulated, and clear headed after ~2 hrs. sleep. Great considering lack of sleep. |
Day 2: Second dosage: 2 caps + ephedrine (25mg) Effects: None. Workout intensity: Minimal at best. Other supplements currently being used: Just started X-factor today. Other than that, nothing beyond amino's ( xtend) and protein ( ultra peptide & optimum MRP).
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Day 3: Dosage: 2 caps Timeframe: Morning Effects: Decent focus. No excessive energy by any means. No noticable feelings of satiety. No feelings of tiredness either (having only a few hours sleep the night previous). Dosage 2: 1 cap Timeframe: 2pm Effects: Nothing noticeable. Perhaps a slight feeling of satiety. More importantly, no feelings of drowsiness, or REM rebound. I went to bed around 1am and woke up at 5am this morning completely awake and without feeling tired (very unusual). On day two, I took 2 pills + 25 mg ephedrine + 2.5 mL VPX Redline (aq). Although it gave me an incredible temporary energy-high, it also caused a severe parasympathetic reflex response consistant with being drunk. On day three, I eliminated the ephedrine and Redline and this didn't happen. Ultimately: Venom seems to be very long-lasting. The stimulation is smooth, and also consistant. The whole 'not-sleeping' thing was unexpected but not necessarily a bad thing (we can sleep when we're dead). I can see a number of practical purposes for Venom in replacing modifinil (provigil) for 3rd shift workers, military, cops, and so forth. Draw your own conclusions.
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Day 4-5:Dosage: 4 caps per day. Timeframe: 2 in the morning. 2 in the afternoon. Effects: Whatever focus I experienced on day 2 has long since passed. In fact, the only 'mental' feeling I now get from this supplement is a mild gaba trophic buzz which lasts a few hours and invariably results in an equally mild crash. The sympathomimetic attributes of Venom are consistant, lingering, and yet weak. Suffice to say, unless something miraculous happens sometime in the near future, I will be reverting back to VPX Redline.
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ALRI Venom, log
