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Posted: May 20 2004, 06:51 PM
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Have never tried any of the NO products, but can never find any good info about keeping your gains once you are off. One side of my brain tells me the gains would be artificial, while the other side understands increased bloodflow to your muscles means more nutrients get there.

Anyone with any experience on keeping gains from NO products? And are these products even worth the time of day?
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Posted: May 20 2004, 08:59 PM
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No2 products do absolutely work. I don't know what you mean by articficial gains. If you take any NO2 product correctly it should work. Well actually I tried the BSN Nitrix and thats crap. The first company to come out with an NO2 product MRI, thats the product I first tried and had excellent results. Otherwise as long as you take it correctly, following all the rules of using any No2 supplement you should get good results. I don't understand what you mean by keeping your gains when you come off. Its not a hormonal product. You won't be as strong as when you were using the No2 when you come off but I'm sure you will keep your gains if you know how to eat correctly. Also you do not have to cycle no2 products.
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Posted: May 20 2004, 09:00 PM
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Well assuming that NO2 does anything better than companies like Cell-Tech (read: they both are worthless crap) then no there is no way to keep the "gains". There would be no need to take the substance for so long in the first place if there was a way to keep it in your body without continual supplementation.
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Posted: May 20 2004, 10:52 PM
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Argine nitric oxide based products do work to a certain extent as long as you are drinking plenty of water. AKG allows you to keep that amazing ''pumped'' look and feeling after a hard slog after your workout which is due to increased blood flow, triggered by increased Nitric Oxide release, allowing a surge of nutrient rich blood to course through your skeletal muscles. Taking caffein, ephedra and alchohol is a deffinet no no as these limit the effectiveness of the product, and l can say this from expearencing it myself, and l have found some work better than others. Maybe what that dude was saying about it beeing an artificial gain is that its not a permanent gain, once you stop taking the akg you will lose the pump. You shouldn't take AKG consistantly for more than two months max. lncreased blood flow allows thicker hair, clearer skin and improoved sexual performance, icreased strength and power reduced muscle wastage, increased muscle size and hardness, increased endurance and faster recovery time, but the down side is you've got an increased chance of getting cold sores around your mouth which is not good, hence why its best not to use it all year round plus you'll end up getting a tollerance towards it but obviously some are more sensitive than others.

sorry for any confusion here but l've had to change this statement slightly since l got it mixed up with creatine, !DOH!. wink.gif
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Posted: May 20 2004, 11:45 PM
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how about NoX2 does that work?
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Posted: May 21 2004, 01:27 AM
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Reason I am asking is because of the fact that how the NO2 works is by volumizing the blood vessels and cells in the muscle. Increased cell and vessel size equal increased muscle size. Now when you stop taking the NO2 product, seems to me that without the flow of NO these cells and vessels would de-volumize,go back to their normal state/size, hence you have just lost the size you gained while on the product.

What I am asking is....... Is my assumption above correct, or am I off my rocker? Eating correctly is not a problem.
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Posted: May 21 2004, 02:34 PM
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You are confused. When you lift weights your body releases bursts of Nitric Oxide lasting a few seconds. Glocose and oxygen are your muscles energy sources. Exercise stimulates the release into your muscle. Nitric oxide from muscle contraction signals this release(cell signaling)....So you will be able to lift more weight, and also increase all the nutrients going to your cells, protein, glucose uptake...Hence more muscle mass!!. Muscles need fuel, the more fuel gets to the muscle the better...Of course you will lose the "pump" that you feel while using NO when you come off of it....You will not lose any of the muscle you gained while using it if you are eating correctly and not overtraining...There is a lot of literatue on this, so look it up. You really don't sound like you have done one bit of research...
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Posted: May 21 2004, 03:16 PM
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what about just picking up 1lb or arganine from now foods. Any feedback. I've never used any NO products, but what to incorporate it into my next cycle.
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Posted: May 21 2004, 09:02 PM
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hey guys, FYI... 'loose' is the opposite of tight. 'lose' means to misplace something. sorry to be grammar police, but if i see that mistake made one more time i'll... i'll... well, i guess i won't do anything, but correcting it will make your posts look MUCH more intelligent.

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Posted: May 21 2004, 09:42 PM
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The AKG from now foods is just as good as any, you actually get more arginine for your money. l only use this product just to get the pump for my workouts and any muscle gain is a bonus, it's abit like Taurine and Vanidal sulphate. lt also increases blood flow to your manhood. There's a couple of liquid forms out there which are pretty good, one beeing VPX, but you get less for your money, certainly worth a try if get no results from the tablet forms, but l must stress, water is the key for this product to work to it's full potential. lf you've got the brass then stack it with other products like Citruline Malate, Creatine, ZMA or a Pro-hormone and a good protein.

Hope this helps. ph34r.gif

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Posted: May 22 2004, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (balrock @ May 21 2004, 09:42 PM)
The AKG from now foods is just as good as any, you actually get more arginine for your money. l only use this product just to get the pump for my workouts and any muscle gain is a bonus, it's abit like Taurine and Vanidal sulphate. lt also increases blood flow to your manhood. There's a couple of liquid forms out there which are pretty good, one beeing VPX, but you get less for your money, certainly worth a try if get no results from the tablet forms, but l must stress, water is the key for this product to work to it's full potential. lf you've got the brass then stack it with other products like Citruline Malate, Creatine, ZMA or a Pro-hormone and a good protein.

Hope this helps. ph34r.gif

Hey balrock
When are you taking this and how much per serving? Do you mix it in your protein drink? how are you taking it?

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Posted: May 22 2004, 09:36 PM
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When taking any arginine products, they should allways be taken on an empty stomach twice a day with at least 7 hours between. On training days first thing in the morining and an hour before a workout and on non training days morning and afternoon. Make sure you've got a bottle of mineral water or filtered on hand at all times. It works quite well with protein as long as you mix it with water and its a fast acting protein like whey concentrate or isolate and not a meal replacement or a casein.
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Posted: May 22 2004, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE (Emanlifts @ May 21 2004, 09:02 PM)
hey guys, FYI... 'loose' is the opposite of tight. 'lose' means to misplace something. sorry to be grammar police, but if i see that mistake made one more time i'll... i'll... well, i guess i won't do anything, but correcting it will make your posts look MUCH more intelligent.

yeh cheers, but where not all as clever as you, abit tired when doing it, thats all.
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Posted: May 23 2004, 06:24 AM
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Has anyone ever heard of taking arginine intranasal?

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Posted: May 23 2004, 10:15 AM
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thanx bal..

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Posted: May 23 2004, 02:18 PM
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what is the best NO2 product that 1fast stocks? im gonna order this week and id rather order all my supps from the same place. the only NO2 ive heard good reviews about is the MRI brand. any help. oh yes i want tablets only
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Posted: May 23 2004, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE (balrock @ May 22 2004, 09:36 PM)
It works quite well with protein as long as you mix it with water and its a fast acting protein like whey concentrate or isolate for example and not a meal replacement or a casein.

Im sorry this makes absolutely no sense/ The reason for taking on an empty stomach is for amino acid absorbtion/competition. How would a fast acting protein differ from casein anyway?


As far as good products, I would combine A AKG with citrulline. Body Octane by MAN and Metabolic Pump by MRM (which is also a creatine product btw) look fairly promising. Or one could combine something like Egro's Stamin O2/SAN's OX with Syntrax's Nitrous.

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Posted: May 23 2004, 10:14 PM
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It would not make any sense taking arginine by intranasal, it's not a stimulant, maybe transdermally but its alot easier and convenient in tablet form, plus its not taxing on the liver like pro-hormones, maybe try taking it with some up-take agents like Alpha-lipoic acid, Vanidal Sulphate, Erythoxylum Catuaba etc.
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