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> Ultra peptide or 100% on Casein, Need a good nightime protien aid...
Posted: Nov 5 2005, 10:45 AM
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I've always ate a cup of cottage cheese before bed, but have recently heard that taking a casein shake is more benefical. Past experience is with whey only, and I currently use ON 100 whey, but I'm looking for that little extra bit to help add some pounds. Definitely at a stand still right now.
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Posted: Nov 5 2005, 02:00 PM
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but I'm looking for that little extra bit to help add some pounds. Definitely at a stand still right now.


Add some oats and pb to whatever your prebed meal is.

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Posted: Nov 6 2005, 12:31 AM
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Is that the VPX?

I didn't really like that too much...pretty grainy. I tried evopro and that stuff seems pretty good

But I'm always up for something new
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Posted: Nov 6 2005, 10:36 AM
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caseins def taste different. haha i've tried ultra peptide and ON choc and van casein. I'd say the ultra peptide was the best, mixability and taste, however, the ON Van casein wasesn't to bad, third place would be ON choc casein(taste kinda sucked), which I found wierd becuase I like their choc whey.

One last note, ultra peptide is not all casein, there is some WPI, and milk isolate in there too. I thought ultra peptid worked a lil better for me tho.


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Posted: Nov 8 2005, 09:33 AM
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I use Cytosport's Evopro and Beverly's Ultimate Muscle Protein before bed.

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Posted: Nov 8 2005, 10:27 AM
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i really like Choco Pro Complex PM and Ultra Peptide as well...both awesome nighttime proteins.

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Posted: Nov 8 2005, 12:32 PM
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As rich, I also consume Cytosport's EvoPro before bed. It has a nice blend of protein sources...

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Micellar alpha and beta caseins and caseinates, whey protein isolate, milk protein isolate, glutamine peptides, l-glutamine, cocoa powder, purified bovine colostrum extract, l-taurine, leanlipids trans fat free lipid complex, natural and artificial flavors, maltodextrin, cellulose gum, xanthan gum, carrageenan, acesulfame potassium, sucralose.

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Posted: Nov 8 2005, 02:42 PM
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I second the pro complex PM. I also add a scoop of muscle milk to mine for the fat and it is a mixed protein as well.
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Posted: Nov 8 2005, 05:24 PM
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Ultra Peptide is my favorite casein-based protein blend. It tastes great and mixes very well.

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Posted: Nov 9 2005, 08:36 AM
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Ultra Peptide tastes excellent and is a good price. It is especially good when mixed with milk.
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Posted: Nov 9 2005, 09:31 AM
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I just got a tub of EvoPro but I can't seem to find the scoop. Anyone else have that problem?

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QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Nov 9 2005, 09:31 AM)
I just got a tub of EvoPro but I can't seem to find the scoop. Anyone else have that problem?

I find the best way is to take a clean/dry butterknife and dig for it.

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Posted: Nov 9 2005, 09:36 AM
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I just got a tub of EvoPro but I can't seem to find the scoop. Anyone else have that problem?

I find the best way is to take a clean/dry butterknife and dig for it.

I stuck my hand in there. LOL

But I was in a hurry and didn't try anything else. I'll try the knife.

That stuff smells good though. I got the chocolate.

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Posted: Nov 9 2005, 10:23 AM
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Doood... that's nasty. Now your whole tub of protein is tainted with hand butter. ugh

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As far as the EvoPro goes...

Shake well, young Skywalker.

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Posted: Nov 9 2005, 10:28 AM
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Are you guys only sleeping an hour or two at a time? If so, then maybe Casein is a good idea. Otherwise its a waste of money, you might as well get a cheaper source of protein before bed.

Whey might digest and hit your system real quick, but Casein is not so much slower that it is going to stay with you even for a significant portion of the night.

If you are that concerned about starving your body, I would mix up some BCAA's in water, put it next to your bed and have a sip every time you wake up in the middle of the night.

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QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ Nov 9 2005, 10:23 AM)
Doood... that's nasty. Now your whole tub of protein is tainted with hand butter. ugh

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As far as the EvoPro goes...

Shake well, young Skywalker.

You know you like hand butter.

Actually my hand came out all nasty. All dusty and shit. That stuff sticks to you.

Once I run out of Mega Milk in about a week I'll start the EvoPro.

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Posted: Nov 9 2005, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (Btrice @ Nov 9 2005, 10:28 AM)
Whey might digest and hit your system real quick, but Casein is not so much slower that it is going to stay with you even for a significant portion of the night.


Do you have proof of this? I'd like to see it.

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Posted: Nov 9 2005, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Nov 9 2005, 10:57 AM)
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Whey might digest and hit your system real quick, but Casein is not so much slower that it is going to stay with you even for a significant portion of the night. 


Do you have proof of this? I'd like to see it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/anthony8.htm

That article agrees with casein before bed, because it "clumps" when it comes into contact with stomach acid. BUT, anybody that knows anything about digestion knows that even though it digests slower, it is going to be long gone from adding aminos to your system before you wake up, unless of course you are only sleeping a couple hours at a time.

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QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Nov 9 2005, 10:57 AM)
QUOTE (Btrice @ Nov 9 2005, 10:28 AM)
Whey might digest and hit your system real quick, but Casein is not so much slower that it is going to stay with you even for a significant portion of the night. 


Do you have proof of this? I'd like to see it.

All I know is I am less hungry when I wake up from casien than whey.

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QUOTE (Btrice @ Nov 9 2005, 11:10 AM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Nov 9 2005, 10:57 AM)
QUOTE (Btrice @ Nov 9 2005, 10:28 AM)
Whey might digest and hit your system real quick, but Casein is not so much slower that it is going to stay with you even for a significant portion of the night. 


Do you have proof of this? I'd like to see it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/anthony8.htm

That article agrees with casein before bed, because it "clumps" when it comes into contact with stomach acid. BUT, anybody that knows anything about digestion knows that even though it digests slower, it is going to be long gone from adding aminos to your system before you wake up, unless of course you are only sleeping a couple hours at a time.

I know about casein.

The article says it's great to take before bedtime. It doesn't say that it stops "working" after 2 or 3 hours.

That's the proof I want to see. Since I'm not a digestion expert.

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