Background info:

23 yrs old. 6', 165 lbs

Basic measurements: Wrist 6 1/4", forearms 14", Bis 15", waist 28", thighs 20" (tore my ACL - down from 27" ouch) calves 15", and I forget the rest (haven't measured in a month or so). Low BF, single digit I'm pretty certain.

I weighed 205 a year ago, tore my acl, stopped going to the gym, lost appetite and 50 lbs. In the past few months, whith a good diet and training, I've managed to gain back 15, up to 165 w/ alomost no fat gain, but hitting a wall. Also, the ACL is re-torn, and I'm waiting for second reconstruction surgery, leg work is out..

1RMs:
Current: Bench:195 Squat:??? D/L:??? (can't do these w/ my knee)
Previous: Bench:235 Squat :335 D/L: 395


Goals: slow the wasting of my legs, which now look like they belong to a 12 y/old girl, as I wait for surgery again. Yes, I am going to physio for the,.

I'm trying to gain back some of my lost weight while maintaining my low bf or at least minimizing fat gain. Since I'm limited to upper body work outside of my physio, I'm looking to push up my bench as much as possible. If I had to choose between stength and size, my emphasis would be strength.


Previous cycles:

Jan 2003 (12 weeks):
wk 1-4 900mg /day 4-ad (androdiol select 300), 300 mg/day -test (oral)
wk 4-8 1200 mg/day 4-ad, 400 mg/day 1-test, 300mg/day 6-oxo
wk 8-12 cut out 4-ad due to beginnings of gyno, 400 mg/day 1-test, 900 mg/day 6-oxo

This cycle was useless - the oral 1-test was in pill form and was inneffective, 4-AD seemed to cause gyno. I don't remember the doses exactly, but this is about right.

Oct/Nov 2002 (8 weeks)

VPX 1-test, forget the doses

-very effective, but VPX was overprices, hence the switch to the above cycle

July 2002

Biotest Mag 10

-seemed a good idea at the time, overpriced. Worked reasonably well.


So cycle advice is appreciated, given my goals and situation. I still have on hand a bottle of 4-ad (androdiol select 300) and a bottle of 6-oxo, but I'm a little afraid of 4-ad now. I had no adverse effects with 1-t or lower doses of 4-ad as in mag-10. No fatigue problems, except in my last cycle a year ago.

I'm considering 1-t or M-1T, alone or w. something else. 6-oxo PCT, maybe something mid-cycle as well to minimize the chance of gyno (6-oxo perhaps).

Thanks all.

I think a transdermal like Superone + is very cost effective. You can use E Form while on cycle to prevent gyno.

I would go with Dermabolics 1 (trandermal 1-test) along with oral 1,4-andro. Since you don't seem to be very sensitive to PH's I would go with 300 mg of 1-test and around 800 mg of 1,4-andro.

It is possible that you may find useful information concerning your situation in this training log:

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=10&t=5100

I want to thank both of you for your advice - and that was a good thread you referred me to. Any opinions on m-1t - I'm interested both because of its low cost and reputed effectiveness, given that I haven't responded to oral 4-ad or 1t (though sublingual worked, both vpx and biotest). The 1,4 andro looks a little pricey, as does transdermal 1-t, at least on a mg basis, though I can either it if the results are worth it.

Anyway, I'm considering an 8-week cycle on, then slowly phased out as I bring in the pct. Perhaps e-form on-cycle followed by 6-oxo off, since I have some, but I'm also pretty sure I can get nolvadex (but not clomid) if I need it.

thanks again,

kj

17aa-1-Test is a very strong, potent androgen, one that I would say you could easily base an entire cycle off of, except for the fact that the sides-profile (especially the lethargy, which is just crippling after 2-3 weeks...) just seem to be a little more than most can tolerate for more than a week or two.

With 17aa-1-Test, you almost have to run 2on-2/4-off 'burst cycles' where you gain, go into PCT trying to maintain it, and then go into-hyper-gain-phase again. In this sort of a scenario, all the normal PCT protocol (6-OXO, 7-OXO-DHEA, etc.) should be implemented in between (and after the final) cycle(s).

In the cost-effectiveness realm of PSs/PHs, transdermal 1-Test is far and away the most potent, bioavailable form of administration available.


Orally, 4-AD & 1-Test (even the esterfied versions) demonstrate a very poor bioavailability quotient (~10% active, usable hormone escapes initial metabolic deactivation). Contrast that to ~ 35-40% with the transdermal Dermabolics carrier matrix, and it's obvious that transdermal 1-Testerone (with either 4-AD in S1+ or another hormone powder mixed into 1 [or just with oral 1,4, which displays ~ 35% natural oral bioavailability]).


If you want cheap, categorically-proven results, I would use S1+ for 8 weeks (using E-Form if needed/desired) followed by @ least 8 weeks of full PCT.

Very useful info - thanks for the knowledgeable replies. I've got a couple of options to consider now, but I'm at least better informed.

-kj